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SoulKiller said:
I was definitely reading properly prof, not sure how you came to the conclusion that I am twisting anything here when I literally provided quotes? I don't quite get this, ofcourse I will address it and make him explain, which he did and made it less confusing in that summary post of his.
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He made it very clear before you ever started questioning him on the subject that he thought the redirect would have to be on the receiving side (something with Iwan, not something done to him). So somehow you missed that if you weren’t twisting anything.

If you hadn’t missed (or ignored) anything then you wouldn’t have gone down that line of questioning.
SoulKiller said:
I understand you are paranoid. But gotta tame these paranoias of yours my friend. If you truly were paying attention while reading this DP, then you would notice something I hinted on, I won't spoon feed you that something. You come here and accuse me of not reading properly when I am pretty sure, I am the one who is reading properly here.
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I don’t see what you’re hinting. Maybe I’m dumb. Then again Ratchet apparently didn’t see it either.

I didn’t actually accuse you of not reading properly. There is plenty of chance you could be scum if you like that better. Not reading properly is one where you’re still town.
 
No but really that's my role. I'm basically a doctor with extra steps.

I'm not even sure my abilities are what caused the guilty result. Tbh I'm not sure what makes people jump onto this so quickly, because I don't think I've done anything wrong.

I'm still on this paranoid tunnel on WJ and the people saving her D1 and last phase I felt a push coming from them towards me. Now this phase a Guilty result is claimed on me so im deeper down this tunnel that they want to get rid of me.

Not even playing that well lmao, but they probably know my role.
 
SinRaven said:
Oh Firestormer got a Guilty on him too lmao

[Vote Lynch Firestormer]

Self preservation.

This also aligns with the slyness that I felt he was oozing previous phases.

Wish i could bold buy somehow the buttons don't work on phone @Shizune
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what the fuck
how long have you been on forums my man

you don't need goddamn buttons what are you a tech illiterate zoomer or smth? :jerrykek

just fucking type the bold tags [*b]text here[/*b] without the asterisks
 
DrProfessor83 said:
He made it very clear before you ever started questioning him on the subject that he thought the redirect would have to be on the receiving side (something with Iwan, not something done to him). So somehow you missed that if you weren’t twisting anything.

If you hadn’t missed (or ignored) anything then you wouldn’t have gone down that line of questioning.
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He didn't make anything clear, hence why I was interrogating him about it. He def did a very poor job explaining himself and was very confusing. That was until he dropped that post and explained himself properly after I questioned him about it.

I don’t see what you’re hinting. Maybe I’m dumb. Then again Ratchet apparently didn’t see it either.

I didn’t actually accuse you of not reading properly. There is plenty of chance you could be scum if you like that better. Not reading properly is one where you’re still town.
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You did say I was not reading, when I am reading the thread. If a person keeps making dodgy statements I will call him out on it. It's that simple really. I don't see how twisting narrative even fits here. As for the former part of this quote, I won't elaborate more. If you don't see it, then you don't. That is good. I will leave it at that.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
You were heavily scum read lol. What if a vig shot you.

Not to mention I still don’t see how Yo Tan getting a guilty on you shouldn’t make me scum from your POV here.
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Who said I don't think you are scum now tho. This makes sense with my theory of mafia wanting to get rid of me lol

But I also know is that it's weird Yo Tan even got a Guilty result tho, because it should've reflected back and if Yo Tan ain't lying that means he would've gotten an innocent result

But that would mean he is ALSO scum but I don't think he would lie like that just to get me lynched, I'm not that dangerous for scum lmao

So something else probably also messed with this or Nitty processed it weirdly
 
SoulKiller said:
He didn't make anything clear, hence why I was interrogating him about it. He def did a very poor job explaining himself and was very confusing. That was until he dropped that post and explained himself properly after I questioned him about it.


You did say I was not reading, when I am reading the thread. If a person keeps making dodgy statements I will call him out on it. It's that simple really. I don't see how twisting narrative even fits here. As for the former part of this quote, I won't elaborate more. If you don't see it, then you don't. That is good. I will leave it at that.
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Vigs can go here.
 
SinRaven said:
[Vote Lynch Firestormer]

Self preservation.
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Ratchet said:
Is there a good reason for why you should be carried into Day 5?
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Why shouldn't I move to DP 5 is the better question? You think I haven't done anything this game? if you say yes, then you are being ingenuine, and find it odd that you suggest for me to be vigged off an interaction with prof where I am clarifying that he is wrong. I understand that you are wary of my slot and you have every right to be, but I feel like you ain't trying to even resolve me at all, when you know that me as townie is a valuable asset to town. You honestly think, I am a good vig candidate over players like firestorm/Iwan/bada? I think with the limited activity I had, I did much more than alot of players here, I would say sinraven is on the lynching rope as we speak is because of the case I made on him. Which let people perform their night actions on him. Also, if you check my posts, you would see I hinted something this DP. As I said for prof, I am not spoon feeding it, for I am not a fan of giving players information for the sake of it. Especially players I don't trust in this game.
 
SoulKiller said:
Why shouldn't I move to DP 5 is the better question? You think I haven't done anything this game? if you say yes, then you are being ingenuine, and find it odd that you suggest for me to be vigged off an interaction with prof where I am clarifying that he is wrong. I understand that you are wary of my slot and you have every right to be, but I feel like you ain't trying to even resolve me at all, when you know that me as townie is a valuable asset to town. You honestly think, I am a good vig candidate over players like firestorm/Iwan/bada? I think with the limited activity I had, I did much more than alot of players here, I would say sinraven is on the lynching rope as we speak is because of the case I made on him. Which let people perform their night actions on him. Also, if you check my posts, you would see I hinted something this DP. As I said for prof, I am not spoon feeding it, for I am not a fan of giving players information for the sake of it. Especially players I don't trust in this game.
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Your case is not the reason Sin is getting lynched lol.

You made similar false claims to how much weight you were pulling in Fuji’s game when you were scumwere just doing enough to maintain a semblance of a presence.

Sin was scum read before you ever made a case.

You don’t get to drop a case on a consensus/popular scum read then say “look I’m the reason they’re getting lynched” lol.
 
Ratchet said:
I'll stop you here. My answer is "yes". I don't think you've done anything this game.
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Ratchet said:
You would be wrong, too.
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We will have to agree to disagree here then, I am not interested in indulging with someone who starts with ingenuity. If you truly think I haven't done jack shit all game, then I have nothing to say to you. Because we will simply not meet eye to eye. My actions speak for myself, so not interested in bickering over this. If I flip, you simply go after scum then and you lose another townie. It's as simple as that.

Ratchet said:
You do understand that my alignment has been confirmed to the game since Night 1 ended, yes?
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Which is precisely why I am having this conversation with you, because you are confirmed townie. But you are not the only player in this thread now are you? there are shit ton of players in the thread and I won't hand out free information in the thread when we are in sever disadvantage and not a single scum been flipped yet. If you don't see it, you simply don't see it.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
Your case is not the reason Sin is getting lynched lol.
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It definitely played a factor in getting the player checked, which in my book plays as contribution.

You made similar false claims to how much weight you were pulling in Fuji’s game when you were scumwere just doing enough to maintain a semblance of a presence.
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Listen man, how many times did I tell you that meta does not work on me? If you think you can figure out my slot by going back and read my previous games then you are already making a grave mistake. Also, what false claims did I make? you can't keep throwing shit and expecting it to stick right?
 
SoulKiller said:
Listen man, how many times did I tell you that meta does not work on me? If you think you can figure out my slot by going back and read my previous games then you are already making a grave mistake. Also, what false claims did I make? you can't keep throwing shit and expecting it to stick right?
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Saying your the reason we’re lynching Sin is false. Sin would have been scum read and lynched (not today without results) if your case never existed.

I’d have to go back to Fuji’s game to find the specific example you did it there but I remember bitching to Flower about what a hypocrite you were in our side chat lol.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
Saying your the reason we’re lynching Sin is false. Sin would have been scum read and lynched (not today without results) if your case never existed.
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I literally stated that I contributed on it and I believe my case played a role in players checking the player. You are correct that if guilty scan did not appear, we would probably be looking at firestorm/iwan instead.

I’d have to go back to Fuji’s game to find the specific example you did it there but I remember bitching to Flower about what a hypocrite you were in our side chat lol.
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This is a completely different game, how are previous games play a factor on determine if I am scum or not? this is bad way of playing. I asked you where exactly did I make a false claim in this game? Focus on this game and not game that happened months ago. I already told you, meta does not work on me. I don't care if you scum read me for this game per say, but to lump meta into it? that's just a grave mistake you are doing, and this is for all future games we ever play together.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
I give you credit for contributing there, but blowing your contributions out of the water to make them look like you’re leading the charge here is scummy bc it’s dishonest (or delusional if town).
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I am not blowing my contributions out of proportion at all, I am also not leading the charge at all, but I do believe I played a factor. That is a rock I am willing to die on. If you think I am scummy because of that, then you are more than welcome to scum read me for it.
 
SoulKiller said:
I literally stated that I contributed on it and I believe my case played a role in players checking the player. You are correct that if guilty scan did not appear, we would probably be looking at firestorm/iwan instead.
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Now you’re saying that, which is more fair and I wouldn’t have opposed that. But it’s a back track from you being the reason he’s getting lynched.
SoulKiller said:
This is a completely different game, how are previous games play a factor on determine if I am scum or not? this is bad way of playing. I asked you where exactly did I make a false claim in this game? Focus on this game and not game that happened months ago. I already told you, meta does not work on me. I don't care if you scum read me for this game per say, but to lump meta into it? that's just a grave mistake you are doing, and this is for all future games we ever play together.
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Ah I see you ignore where I pointed it out for this game right above that lol.

And I do not believe that you’ve ascended so high that you have no scum tells. I have not found a player yet where meta is completely useless.
 
SoulKiller said:
I am not blowing my contributions out of proportion at all, I am also not leading the charge at all, but I do believe I played a factor. That is a rock I am willing to die on. If you think I am scummy because of that, then you are more than welcome to scum read me for it.
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Again, now you’re being perfectly reasonable but that wasn’t your first position.
 
SoulKiller said:
No one is trying to sell anyone here. I am literally replying to ratchet post because I think he is doing a poor job in trying to resolve my slot. You the one who jumped into that part and made it seem something more than what it is.
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Not that poor, it has drawn out the best spell of activity from you all game.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
Now you’re saying that, which is more fair and I wouldn’t have opposed that. But it’s a back track from you being the reason he’s getting lynched.

Ah I see you ignore where I pointed it out for this game right above that lol.
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Because I truly believe, that my case is what pushed yotan to check the player, but that is my own assumptions ofcourse and I was pointing out or trying to say to ratchet, that I in fact did contribute in the game when he stated I have done nothing in the game. Which is ingenuine, and was pointing that out as an example on why that is not the case. If we go into details about it then I elaborated my position regarding that matter to you in my previous posts when you addressed it.

And I do not believe that you’ve ascended so high that you have no scum tells. I have not found a player yet where meta is completely useless.
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Ofcourse not, but meta is not one of them, and you will always mislynch my slot if you rely on meta cause I play primarily for fun and I approach games differently every game.
 
taking Fang's list to give my own reads which will be ignored because I'm not cleared but i'm willing to give a peace a chance or whatever. removing the tags because i don't actually want to discuss it and it's just to get it out there so i don't have to see some comment about how it is my fault for not leaving reads when i am vigged or whatever:

1. Badalight - town read, I don't think he ditches the wagon last day phase as scum when - assuming worm juice is scum - it only served to make him look terrible. and i don't think he goes out of his way to look worse this phase as scum too. this last part is only of value to me since i'm heavily sussed, but without him calling out the Iwandesu redirect thing I am easily lynched here and scum would've taken the very easy lynch without putting focus on themselves imo. messy plays but town plays imo.

2. charles101 - town but god i wish he wasn't.

3. Didi - thought he was town until this phase and was planning on buffing him lol, now a null read still leaning town. don't really trust the fact that he seemed to be townreading me prior to this phase but now had to be debated into voting Sin over me lol, even with the Iwan shit and Sin's lack of defense.

4. DrProfessor83 - it felt like i was talking to a wall whenever we would interact so i stopped bothering to try. is more likely town because of protecting wpk earlier on

5. Ekkologix - sussed him a ton for the night 2 shit, but others are seemingly clearing him so eh. null read leaning scum, i think that if either Ekko or Prof flip scum then the other has a good chance of being a partner, but neither seem like a priority for the moment.

6. Fang - townread based on mechanics, nullread based on contributions.

7. Firestormer - hates town but is town

8. hammer - idk. seems really clueless towards everything lol. him outing Rej for protecting Ekko seems really poorly thought out, and yet i think that if he were scum he would've just like... killed Rej instead lol. so a very mild town read but it can shift very easily

9. Hero - great first day, terrible day 2 onwards. i don't think hero has provided anything in a while now, secretly feel like he's one of my bigger scum reads as a potential scum trying to lay low while town tears each other apart.

10. Iwandesu - scum

11. John Wayne - Didi claims he is town via investigation, but then also believes he may be a naive cop. JW himself hasn't set off anything for me positive or negative because i haven't noticed their posts.

12. Juan - null read. feel like if any of the hugely active posters are scum trying to blend in it'll be him. i think at least one of the Platinum voters was trying to save Worm Juice under the guise of a last minute push, and Juan or Hero feel like the most likely ones for that, though Hero feels more like the main suspicion for that atm.

13. Kira Yagami - i just went back to check his posts and there were 2 pages of posts, the first page is entirely one liners. null read leaning scum, but should be looked into because he's posting a lot without saying anything.

14. Lind - for a role in both games Lind certainly isn't very memorable any more. completely faded into the background, and my only reason to not sus them is that the role feels more town/indy rather than mafia. still, the role alone is enough for me to consider indy more likely than mafia if he were not town.

15. Lord Melkor - only not heavily suspecting them because everyone seems to have used abilities on them to clear them.

16. Melodie - inactive

17. Rej - null, the doctor shit can go either way.

18. Santi - town read, i know people were questioning why i picked Santi to buff over the other options but I don't regret that decision at all sorry

19. SinRaven - probably scum

20. Soul - null, they post enough to be remembered but not enough to be noticed if that makes sense.

21. SoulKiller - i remember thinking he was trying to direct talk away from Sin but admittedly i was only checking it on my phone at work and he was adamant he wasn't, so i'll need to reread that. null leaning scum atm. also very scandalized over me being ott and temporarily selfvoting for someone who temporarily quit the game day 1 lol.

22. sworder - inactive

23. tinky winky - null leaning town based on nothing in particular.

24. WolfPrinceKiba - probably town that scum are terrified of, not sure why though since he hasn't done anything?

25. Worm Juice - lol

26. Yo Tan Wa - town. his plays this round make no sense as scum, because either Sin is town and he outed himself for nothing, or Sin is scum and he's bussing for nothing.

k that's my thoughts i will probably not respond to any rebuttals as im speaking my truth before i am likely vigged and freed from this town
 
This is from this phase alone so be nice.

1. Badalight - I don't know what his deal is and don't know too much about him tbh. I kind of skimmed this phase and everything seems to be burning and a clusterfuck. Santi is really pressing Badalight's case and using Bada's own abilities against him for why he is scum but I don't believe that is enough to stick him with such a label. To me, he seems indie. I recall Ratchet saying that he's not playing in our benefit and to be honest the discussion can stop there. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm conflicted with my read. I'll go and say I'm neutral towards Bada and can seem him being a neutral indie.

2. charles101 - Based on actions from this phase, I would say Charles is town. As I've stated before, there was no reason he would pull such a bold maneuver if he wasn't confident in his results. I am inclined to believe Charles read on Firestormer based on logic.

3. Didi - I'm getting a town read on Didi. He's not playing as well as I'm used to seeing him play or maybe I'm mistaken and he wasn't all that to begin with.

4. DrProfessor83 - Although his posting pattern has changed, I'm still getting town on him.

5. Ekkologix - Someone pls vig him. I'm getting a scum lean from Usopp. I've played multiple games with this man and his gameplay is nowhere near as chaotic as it has been in the past. I feel like he's kind of been coasting this game and this scum lean is further complicated by Dr.Professor sticking his neck out to defend him. I don't know what to make of this or how to reconcile my reads now that one of my top town reads is essentially confirming the opposite of what I feel in my gut

6. Fang - Town

7. Firestormer - See above what I said for Charles.

8. hammer - idk. i feel like no one is really listening to him and he's just kind of there. i used to suspect him, but now he's kind of just...there as i said.

10. Iwandesu - inactive

11. John Wayne - Coasting. But that's just JW. I do find it alarming that he hasn't been more engaging since we're getting railed. I would expect him to step his game up but maybe not. I'm not sure about him. I'll give him a town lean.

12. Juan - Null. He's basically a commentator of the thread. His posts give me nothing to work with.

13. Kira Yagami - Town

14. Lind - I was leaning town for lind for an amazing Day 1. However since then, Lind has faded into obscurity. I think we should start looking into once active players as scum.
 
Hero said:
5. Ekkologix - Someone pls vig him. I'm getting a scum lean from Usopp. I've played multiple games with this man and his gameplay is nowhere near as chaotic as it has been in the past. I feel like he's kind of been coasting this game and this scum lean is further complicated by Dr.Professor sticking his neck out to defend him. I don't know what to make of this or how to reconcile my reads now that one of my top town reads is essentially confirming the opposite of what I feel in my gut
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Anyone who vigs him is gonna have to meet me in a parking lot afterwards.
 
Hero said:
This is from this phase alone so be nice.

1. Badalight - I don't know what his deal is and don't know too much about him tbh. I kind of skimmed this phase and everything seems to be burning and a clusterfuck. Santi is really pressing Badalight's case and using Bada's own abilities against him for why he is scum but I don't believe that is enough to stick him with such a label. To me, he seems indie. I recall Ratchet saying that he's not playing in our benefit and to be honest the discussion can stop there. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm conflicted with my read. I'll go and say I'm neutral towards Bada and can seem him being a neutral indie.

2. charles101 - Based on actions from this phase, I would say Charles is town. As I've stated before, there was no reason he would pull such a bold maneuver if he wasn't confident in his results. I am inclined to believe Charles read on Firestormer based on logic.

3. Didi - I'm getting a town read on Didi. He's not playing as well as I'm used to seeing him play or maybe I'm mistaken and he wasn't all that to begin with.

4. DrProfessor83 - Although his posting pattern has changed, I'm still getting town on him.

5. Ekkologix - Someone pls vig him. I'm getting a scum lean from Usopp. I've played multiple games with this man and his gameplay is nowhere near as chaotic as it has been in the past. I feel like he's kind of been coasting this game and this scum lean is further complicated by Dr.Professor sticking his neck out to defend him. I don't know what to make of this or how to reconcile my reads now that one of my top town reads is essentially confirming the opposite of what I feel in my gut

6. Fang - Town

7. Firestormer - See above what I said for Charles.

8. hammer - idk. i feel like no one is really listening to him and he's just kind of there. i used to suspect him, but now he's kind of just...there as i said.

10. Iwandesu - inactive

11. John Wayne - Coasting. But that's just JW. I do find it alarming that he hasn't been more engaging since we're getting railed. I would expect him to step his game up but maybe not. I'm not sure about him. I'll give him a town lean.

12. Juan - Null. He's basically a commentator of the thread. His posts give me nothing to work with.

13. Kira Yagami - Town

14. Lind - I was leaning town for lind for an amazing Day 1. However since then, Lind has faded into obscurity. I think we should start looking into once active players as scum.
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Look who came out from their hiding spot to play again.
 
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