Soul
Agent of Justice
Wasn't firestorm confirmed? That's the only reason I voted for him over Sin.
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Soul
Agent of Justice
I am catching up to the thread.
1 name for execute, 3 names for lynch. The *very* next post:
*exactly* one name for the lynch.
1 name for execute.
Now two names for the execute.
"we can't lynch 10 people!"
I can't deal with this person any more. I just can't, not tonight. Fucking hell.
Soul
Agent of Justice
Yeah, I asked you to narrow it down. You have iwan, Didi, me, LM, sworder and melodie.
Didn't gave insight (that I have read so far) to most of those names.
Why are you this frustrated? Don't really get it.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
first thing is first I think fang and didi made a list of people the investigated let's see who from that list is still alive.
No, this isn't an excuse. It was the very next post after the one you quoted. You then quoted one afterwards, which came after the one where I gave you your one bloody name for the lynch.
Here, I'll use post numbers to help -
You quote post #4171 to ask why your name was in the top three I threw out.
The post where I gave a single name for a lynch was #4172.
You quote #4174 and tell me I'm putting out too many lynch candidates.
So for this to be true, you would have had to read the first post, where I gave 3 for a lynch, skip a post for arbitrary reasons, quote an unrelated post to get your stupid comment in, despite having skipped the post where I gave you exactly what you wanted of me. So unless you're catching up by skipping to posts randomly, can you explain how you might have missed that?
Soul
Agent of Justice
Clicked on your post to reply on my phone when I saw it, posted it then saw other posts, which is why it's out of order.
I am not asking only for me, I am asking for reasoning on all your claims, which is what I am missing. Don't really care who you think did it, I am interested in why you think so.
Also a bit interested on why you are so mad about my posts. How come you can't deal with this line of questioning?
I tend to get frustrated when I'm having to argue with stupidity. I have Iwan. Full stop. Let me walk you through it.
>Iwan is up for the execute. I suggest he be executed. At this point, he is red checked.
>Shizune clarifies that Iwan is no longer up for the execute. So he then becomes the lynch.
>I have never once put sworder and melodie up for the lynch today. I put them up for the execute. I don't know what you've been doing so far, but in case you hadn't been keeping score, we lynch two people each day. One is the main lynch, hereby referred to as "the lynch". One is a lynch for inactive players, hereby referred to as "the execute". I initially suggested You (I think I may have meant SoulKiller here, actually, but I've lost my train of thought and frankly not having to put up with reading any more of this nonsense is worth a town flip to me, if you are in fact town), Didi, Melkor as "the lynch" candidates. We can of course work through that. I put forward Iwan as "the execute", because he's very likely scum. When Iwan was no longer a viable execute, I took all the rest off the board and said "Iwan should be the lynch today". That's a total of one (1) lynch candidate for today. I put Melodie/Sworder as "the execute" candidate, for a total of two (2) execute candidtes. 1 lynch candidate, 2 execute candidates.
Iwan is guilty. He has a guilty investigation on him. As for the other three, PoE, I mostly wanted them to be discussed. They don't matter, because Iwan is the lynch today.
How have I "not dealt" with it? I've answered everything you've asked me to answer, I just have no patience for stupid positions that are addressed literally one post after, which you were well aware of, because you picked up a post made after said addressment to ask why I hadn't made said addressment.
[vote lynch iwan]
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
this was didi's list. can someone help me find fang's like legit we can probably just start lynching the unconfirmed people at this point
Badalight - Null/Town (depends on Sworder flip, could easily be scum)
Didi - Investigation only goes so far, Scum but has today to do well. Flip would be informative.
DrProfessor83 - Town
Ekkologix - Town
hammer - Town
Hero - Null/Town
Iwandesu - Scum
John Wayne - Null/Scum
Juan - Town
Kira Yagami - Town
Lind - Indie
Lord Melkor - Scum, though was he checked?
Melodie - Scum
Rej - Town(ish)
Santí - Town
Soul - Null/Town
SoulKiller - Null/Scum
sworder - Null/Scum, could be Town if Badalight is Scum.
tinky winky - Null/Scum
Iwan/Melodie/Sworder/JW/tinky winky/Melkor
Probably should be the main focus for now.
Didi - Investigation only goes so far, Scum but has today to do well. Flip would be informative.
DrProfessor83 - Town
Ekkologix - Town
hammer - Town
Hero - Null/Town
Iwandesu - Scum
John Wayne - Null/Scum
Juan - Town
Kira Yagami - Town
Lind - Indie
Lord Melkor - Scum, though was he checked?
Melodie - Scum
Rej - Town(ish)
Santí - Town
Soul - Null/Town
SoulKiller - Null/Scum
sworder - Null/Scum, could be Town if Badalight is Scum.
tinky winky - Null/Scum
Iwan/Melodie/Sworder/JW/tinky winky/Melkor
Probably should be the main focus for now.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I’m no longer poisoned lol.
[Vote Lynch Iwan]
Which lead me to going through your previous day and:
The bolded is why I highlighted that post about Bada earlier. Bc Soul says A.) Bada is by no means the worse poster on the night phase. And B.) That there is probably at least one mafia on the night council that saved Worm.
Soul holds these positions but then doesn’t go looking for that mafia on the night phase saving worm. And if he did then the obvious conclusion would be Sinraven if it’s not Bada. But Soul isn’t willing to take it that far or look that far.
[Vote Lynch Iwan]
^ This vote is not looking good after Sin/Firestormer’s flips lol.
Which lead me to going through your previous day and:
^ This “by no means worst poster on the night phase” will matter later
^ These reactions to WJ surviving seem disproportionate to the amount you scum read here before the night phase. You didn’t appear to have a super strong read on her besides her being a suspect, which makes this reaction come off as disingenuous.
The bolded is why I highlighted that post about Bada earlier. Bc Soul says A.) Bada is by no means the worse poster on the night phase. And B.) That there is probably at least one mafia on the night council that saved Worm.
Soul holds these positions but then doesn’t go looking for that mafia on the night phase saving worm. And if he did then the obvious conclusion would be Sinraven if it’s not Bada. But Soul isn’t willing to take it that far or look that far.
^ If Bada is at least not mafia then Soul’s fixation on Bada over Sin stands out. It looks like Soul has walked back his read on Bada to avoid having to look Sin’s way on the night khcjg
Keeps calling Raven confirmed mafia/bringing up his invest, previously stated that he believes that Worm was saved on night lynch (and outraged about the situation) but never bothers to piece those two things together (to make Sin the best vote of both worlds) and instead of voting Sin (which makes the most sense from his previous line of thought), votes for Firestormer.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Santi has an innocent on him I believe. Could be scum based on his play around WJ and Sin’s play around him tho.
Yo Tan Wa
Soar to the Sky in first try
Thanks for the game
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
[Vote Execute Meldoie]
Soul
Agent of Justice
Getting frustrated with this level of miscommunication and mislabeling it as stupid seems fairly harsh. You weren't wrong when you called it a character flaw earlier in the thread.
That makes sense, he was a solid scum read from last day phase for me as well, but thought we could get him for free on the execute instead. There are posts detailing this as well.
Alright that makes sense.
The issue is that I didn't communicated properly. I wanted to know your train of thought on suspects, the actual reason of why I or Didi are actually suspicious for the most part. LM its understandable but Didi reads town to me and know for a fact that I am town.
Your "I don't know what you've been doing so far, but in case you hadn't been keeping score, we lynch two people each day" section of the post is something you obviously know I am aware of since not only have I voted for both lunch and execute, but I have held of voting off people for lunch in order to execute later to make a more efficient use of that same mechanic.
I agree with lynching Iwan, and I agree that discussing us three checks out since we haven't been 100% cleared, but that's not what you posted which lead to me misunderstanding you.
By deal with it is that you couldn't process what I wrote and reacted accordingly. You addressed the points I made, sure, but snapped at me for no particular reason (in my mind). Guess the word I was looking for is that you reacted erratically, to put it mildly.
Not that I care about you or about your posting, but you seem to have little to no patience for any sort of misunderstanding.
tl;dr
A post of yours said lynch me/Didi/LM, I replied to it without reading the rest of your posting (since I am phoneposting and expect to be busy later, so doing everything I can now), you got absolutely assblasted and I replied defensively because of it. In the end we agree in most things (Iwan is the lynch, LM and myself are suspicious), but disagree in some (I do believe that Didi reads town).
Might as well vote now.
[Vote lynch Iwandesu]
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Do you mean what you scan changes or your actual alignment lol.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Wait. If Rej is booby trapped and saw Melodie and Sworder visit him.
And we know Melodie visited Rej and Yo Tan (not the 3 boobie trapped targets) then either Sworder is the boobie trapper or the boobie trapper is a ninja (if boobie trapping counts as a night visit).
And we know Melodie visited Rej and Yo Tan (not the 3 boobie trapped targets) then either Sworder is the boobie trapper or the boobie trapper is a ninja (if boobie trapping counts as a night visit).
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
I was booby trapped as well, but im not aware of anyone targeting me and nothing bad happened to me
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I guess it doesn’t show up/count as a visit then.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
but that role seems pretty positive, like HEY GUYS DONT TOUCH THEM.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
like it seems weird that I was booby trapped then rej who is a doctor
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
If you were scum covering for boobie trapper Sworder here you’d be potentially dooming yourself with a flip for him lol.
So *probably* can rule that out lol.
So *probably* can rule that out lol.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
I mean, im just surprised I was booby trapped. also who did rej target last night. six people fucking died and he didn't get the protect
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Maybe. I haven’t been seeing it as a positive lol. You also can’t do anything positive for them or investigate people under the trap.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
cant kill them either.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
@Rej don’t see any reason not to claim it
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
We don’t know that. If scum did it then maybe they can get around the traps.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
fair.
at this point we have like 9 unconfirmed. is it both games have a red and purple or do we have one each?
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Yo Tan and Sinraven are odd targets N1 if it’s a town role protecting people lol.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Group 1 has Red. We have Purple. Won’t be multi ball until merge.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
oh okay, so we are still doing good.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
That’s very debatable lol.
I think town is still in good position to win overall though.
You agree that you are suspicious?
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
well we have half the remainder half confirmed. we should just add up the investigations and tunnel on the rest
Right, I had a feeling I'd forgotten it. Can take Melkor aside for now.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
did also confirmed john wayne
Badalight
JOJO
[Change vote execute melodie]
I don't think sworder is clear but melodie doin shit while not here is checkmate imo
I don't think sworder is clear but melodie doin shit while not here is checkmate imo
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I’m taking a lot of these investigations, mainly the ones from Didi, with a grain of salt for now.
If Didi is scum you can argue he doesn’t put any of his teammates in there but with how he’s downplayed/doubted the authenticity of his own results maybe he could slip a teammate in there as scum.
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
was it also santi and fang who also are cops? at least fang should be right. it is odd that only one confirmed town was killed
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
John Wayne also has an innocent from Didi for what that’s worth.
Have had JW as a possible WJ teammate if Didi is town for the way he went after Plat being a Didi courier wagon.
Sin also went with that narrative at first before starting to argue it was Worm that was saved. Dunno if Didi is also a teammate there still or if town and Sin was gonna go after him but then decided it was better to bus worm.
If they’re both scum I don’t think I start by going after Didi if I’m gonna bus one. Probably picking Worm from then start. So that gives me some pause on Didi.
But weird they’re leaving someone investigating half the game alone even if he’s scum read and weird he can’t come up with a guilty tagging two a night.
Badalight
JOJO
Too many cops. Someone gotta be scum among them and it ain't the dead ones.
Soul
Agent of Justice
I agree, which is why doing it would be stupid from my part if I were mafia.
I change my post because they were both confirmed. If I recall correctly when I went to bed (around 3AM) they were both 50/50 and firestorm was actually leading the vote count (I tallied the votes and then a couple of people voted FS). Charles had no reason to lie since we has dying anyways and he actually was town as well. I didn't bother to look into the rest of the night since both were claimed guilty and I am getting fucked for it.
This was well established when I voted, by the guy that had the read on Sin, too.
It is not disproportionate at all. I was far from the only one amazed that WJ was alive.
The play at night was to get rid of her. Didi posted about it a few pages before I did, too. One of the main reasons why that night was a clusterfuck is because they lynched Odd instead of WJ. You do realize that why she immediately got 15 votes, right?
The fact that I didn't establish she was my prime suspect doesn't mean I believe it makes sense that she's alive at that point. At that point I wanted to kill Santi because he was asking like scum (only posting the bare minimum while coasting). Sounds familiar? Because WJ was doing the same thing. Now Melodie is doing the same thing, so I am shooting to execute her now.
WJ was acting pretty foolishly, which was annoying me at that point. Again, wasn't the only annoyed person at that play.
No, because in my mind we have two confirmed scum. I didn't care of the order and now that they were confirmed scum we could lynch one or the other. Didn't expect firestormer to be town and now I am suspicious because of that vote. Voting for FS makes no sense if I am mafia since it puts me in the spotlight for the lynch after this one (and we already had targets of this lynch, too).
Maybe if I try to dodge to vote for the majority of the lynch this would make sense, but that won't happen.
I thought that Bada played a poor night phase and was playing pretty erratically, but I thought that Ekko played overall a worse one. I didn't backed out on my Bada read and he is still suspicious, but Ekko was higher up the list at the time.
Which can definitely be construed as lazy voting, but not as me being scum since this result is literally worse for me.
Why wouldn't I vote for Sin if I am scum? Wouldn't have to do any explaining.
Soul
Agent of Justice
Pretty remarkable that this is your only takeaway from my post. You seriously don't care about it.
On topic, though, I voted for a townie (which was supposed to be confirmed guilty) when Sin was another guilty verdict, as DrProf explained in his post. Of course that's suspicious behavior, would have to be blind to not notice why there are post questioning me. Already explained myself in my post: in short, me voting for FS is borderline retarded if I am mafia since it brings all heat to me after this phase (where Iwan and Melodie are easy targets).
My explanation to Prof's post, me voting for the lead lynch (making me a possible lynch for next day phase) and an investigation from a cop should be enough to clear me. I can't control the third one, so it's up to whoever can investigate to go for the last one.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
That part of post you quoted was me questioning why you weren’t looking for the mafia on the night council the day Worm first got lynched. Before we had any guilty results. If you thought there was scum on the night council I’d have expected you to have been trying to root them out but you weren’t really. Only talked/focusing on Bada who you didn’t think looked as bad. (But he was a big talking point so would be easy to focus on to blend in at the time.)
But you said you thought there was mafia on the council saving worm? Why/how would Ekko have been the one saving worm? And besides that why weren’t you gunning for him. I don’t see you pushing or casing Ekko that day. Were you just content to keep it to yourself? You spent way more time focused on Bada than Ekko (which was just going with what the majority was doing on Bada).
If you thought Firestormer was a viable lynch that wouldn’t incriminate you too badly to talk your way out of then no reason to think you couldn’t vote there as scum. If Firestormer gets lynched that day then you’re just another one of many on the wagon. Sin could have made this same argument for not being so obvious about being Worm’s teammate on night council and just voting Worm.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
If you thought mafia saved Worm, and you thought Bada probably wasn’t it (at least at first), I don’t see how you completely overlook what Sin was doing lol.
That wasn't the only takeaway, you've assumed that for me without me having declared it so. I just wanted to seek clarity, because your wording implied that you agreed you were "suspicious", which is strange, because even when you agree with the arguments against you (and you don't appear to have conceded to this extent), you agree that you can, plausibly, look suspicious, but not that you are suspicious. Forgive the pedantry.
Soul
Agent of Justice
Again, didn't overlooked it, just thought Charles' read was more trustworthy based on the fact that he had no reason to lie. This thought process was explained last day phase too. Of course people are going to question it now, in hindsight.
Making calls before you get the results is infinitely harder than after you have all the information. I was overconfident because of Charles'claim (a townie), and I am paying for it.
Also I didn't know what protected WJ. Badalight just tanked multiple attacks. How did you know mafia was protecting her?
Soul
Agent of Justice
I'll reply to your longer post when I get home Prof.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I mean before yesterday lol. Like the day Worm was first a wagon. Before there was ever a lynch redirect. That’s the days I’m quoting you off of there.
What you were doing that day can’t be explained by something that happened the day after it.
Dude I’m talking about the night lynch. Where you said at least one was probably mafia for how they let worm get away yet weren’t trying to help us find who that would be lol.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I’m about to crash lol.
Soul
Agent of Justice
I agree that the chain of events make me look suspicious. I also think that I am suspicious because Prof is literally asking questions about it, which it's fair.
You can look into it all you want but it's fairly straightforward: the fact that I played poorly is making me look bad.
Sure
Soul
Agent of Justice
I'll be active later today to answer any more questions
Firestormer
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the game, I never want to experience a town like this again lol
Badalight
JOJO
Sry frd
hammer
the stoic non binary catgirl
it's been ten years of naruto mafia, there was worse and you know it
Badalight
JOJO
ok i'm home and i'm ready to play mafia.
Badalight
JOJO
Btw wpk did not redirect me or make me bleed <3
(i told u it wouldn't work frd)
(i told u it wouldn't work frd)
Badalight
JOJO
@tinky winky come play the game buddy k thx
charles101
hot dog doodie
Lind
Fire and Blood
[Vote lynch Iwan]
[Vote execute Melodie]
So Sin was bussing Melodie the whole time with the execute votes lol?
Anyway, after this I think the next players that are most probably mafia are in this group:
Soul
Sworder
Hammer
LM
Assuming Iwan and Melodie (Most probably due to watch result) are flipping mafia there might just be 3 more left.
For those who haven’t read the Group 1 thread - Ish gave up and came out as the last mafia member. (I assume he’s the last from all his posts)
So if it’s a similar ratio here then there might have been a total of 7 mafia to start off.
[Vote execute Melodie]
So Sin was bussing Melodie the whole time with the execute votes lol?
Anyway, after this I think the next players that are most probably mafia are in this group:
Soul
Sworder
Hammer
LM
Assuming Iwan and Melodie (Most probably due to watch result) are flipping mafia there might just be 3 more left.
For those who haven’t read the Group 1 thread - Ish gave up and came out as the last mafia member. (I assume he’s the last from all his posts)
So if it’s a similar ratio here then there might have been a total of 7 mafia to start off.
Lind
Fire and Blood
And yes, since I mentioned Hammer there, I’m also calling Didi’s investigations into question.
He also said he got innocent in JW, but I honestly think JW still has chances to flip scum.
As for Didi, himself, I actually null to scum read him now. Sin defended him against WPK day 1. Wanted Worm over Didi in the night lynch and was just weirdly against a Didi wagon.
My own approach here would be examining Didi’s clears first before him. If Hammer and JW are just town, I’m going to put Didi as the scum cop with all the defense Sin gave him in the thread and posts.
He also said he got innocent in JW, but I honestly think JW still has chances to flip scum.
As for Didi, himself, I actually null to scum read him now. Sin defended him against WPK day 1. Wanted Worm over Didi in the night lynch and was just weirdly against a Didi wagon.
My own approach here would be examining Didi’s clears first before him. If Hammer and JW are just town, I’m going to put Didi as the scum cop with all the defense Sin gave him in the thread and posts.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
Hey, sorry busy weekend, ill pick it up next DP. I was indeed role blocked, so sword claim is true I think.
As for how things should move forward, obviously iwan is the way to go, it seems the guilty was indeed him. As for who to execute? I don't really care, so I will just follow majority.
Vote Lynch: Iwandesu
Vote Execute: Melodie
As for how things should move forward, obviously iwan is the way to go, it seems the guilty was indeed him. As for who to execute? I don't really care, so I will just follow majority.
Vote Lynch: Iwandesu
Vote Execute: Melodie
Lind
Fire and Blood
Tinky and Soul Killer are mostly just not mafia to me with how hard they went at Sin.
Especially Tinky. He’s been against Sin and Didi (whom Sin defended) so I have a greater town read on Tinky tbh.
Especially Tinky. He’s been against Sin and Didi (whom Sin defended) so I have a greater town read on Tinky tbh.
Lind
Fire and Blood
Melodie was seen visiting Rej and Yo tan despite barely posting. So consensus is that she’s just scum who’s actions are controlled by her teammates or herself who’s just not posting.
vc on my phone cause im bout to sleep and im on my bed
votes
LM: badalight > iwan
Badalight: Iwan
Juan: Iwan
Ekko: Iwan
Sworder: Iwan
Prof: Iwan
Soul: Iwan
Lind: Iwan
Soulkiller: Iwan
execution
LM: Iwan > Sworder > Melodie
Badalight: Sworder > Melodie
Sworder: Melodie
Santi: Melodie
Juan: Melodie
Ekko: Melodie
Prof: Melodie
Lind: Melodie
Soulkiller: Melodie
10 votes for iwan
9 votes for Melodie
i prob missed someone. let me know plz plz
votes
LM: badalight > iwan
Badalight: Iwan
Juan: Iwan
Ekko: Iwan
Sworder: Iwan
Prof: Iwan
Soul: Iwan
Lind: Iwan
Soulkiller: Iwan
execution
LM: Iwan > Sworder > Melodie
Badalight: Sworder > Melodie
Sworder: Melodie
Santi: Melodie
Juan: Melodie
Ekko: Melodie
Prof: Melodie
Lind: Melodie
Soulkiller: Melodie
10 votes for iwan
9 votes for Melodie
i prob missed someone. let me know plz plz
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Well I’m not. I’ve actually created role cops previously that were town roles in older games.
The only gag with my role is that whoever I decide to role cop, my alignment changes based on the role. So I’ve been careful with who I’ve picked but looks like I wasn’t careful enough
What do you mean by "your alignment changes"? Does it affect your wincon or do you investigate as guilty when you invest someone who is quilty?
Sounds suss to me. Also I do not like how your reads are asked about are mostly town while there should be a lot of scum left in this Group.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Oh, so it is propably which is why WPK's kill on me failed.
Ungrateful, as I turned him into cat lover earlier.
tinky winky
Simpji
had a busy weekend
catching up now.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Charles had guilty result on him, but apparently there was redirection going between him and Iwan. Not to mention that Iwan does not contribute to the game anyway.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Wasn't it Fang that had innocent result on me?
I would not openly defende such dead weight as WJ if I were his teammate.
That's probably fair.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Yes, likely either Didi or Hero is scum cop?
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Did you get a result from this action?
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
This does not look great on Didi, he preferred to lynch Sin over FireStormer but left himself a path to swtich vote, presumably if Sin's lynch was inevitable.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Whom did you investigate tonight?
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Here I do not like additional caveats, if Didi is scum he would know that FS is town, hence him stating he is relying on Ratchet's, confirmed town's, opinion, rather than simply on the guilty result on FS.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
I think I stated it earlier, but this is pretty damming to me, Didi wanted to waste lynch and execute on the same person while at this point town was losing horribly.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Didi and JW should not be scum together, especially that Didi had inno invest on JW.