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There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?
 
I didn’t think the role was unlikely to be scum I thought it was unlikely that scum would give other player(s) free information like his character claim from the jump

oh :hm I may have misread your initial post and thought it was because LG's role couldn't be scum.

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

the janitor kill might be related to Hayumi's role? Is it a SK that is getting rid of low posters maybe?
 
There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?
True, I’m really curious on what made someone pick Legend when he was an inactifag for as much as I can remember.


Yep, just checked and he literally had 6 posts.

:zaru
 
There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

Melodie's namesake role said the next person that died would be janitored.
 
He doesn't need you defending him on this preemptively, let the man speak. If the action he did use against JoJo was a kill, it went through his protections which is also something that needs explaining if it was a town kill.

thats what i just said, you dont have to rly rephrase it lol

im not protecting him, just waiting on him to explain himself

my vote is already on him unless he proves innocent somehow
 
I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.
 
I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.

That's some Melodie Olivia nexus lovers type shit.
 
I don't know Babby at all. Would Nitty design something like a janitor/hidden kill for Babby ?

LG was in Laix's group for N1

No way imo
I feel like nitty would only give killing roles to relatively significant mafia player roles and in the grand scheme of things Babby is a random genin

I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.

this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement
 
@Flower : How about actually examining the wagon and seeing who was on it despite them having bigger suspects. Give those who voted after the indie claim some leeway, but still scrutinize their reaction for scum tells. You're jumping on the wagon as if Hayumi flipped town. They weren't town, and that showed in their posting, which people picked up on. Despite their role being pretty neutral it still had a guilty alignment, and it's role improvings benefit scum more than town because they have info and organization on their side.
 
"If Melodie dies, then the next person who dies after her will have their role hidden from the thread, and Melodie will return to the game and take on their role and win condition for another chance at winning the game."

Legend died right after hayumi (melodie) was lynched

so his role wasent revealed and instead became the new hayumi's role
Correct. I can thankfully confirm Legend was town lmao.
 
No way imo
I feel like nitty would only give killing roles to relatively significant mafia player roles and in the grand scheme of things Babby is a random genin



this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement
Very accurate. Mafia wasting a kill on their own just to get me to sub in? Cute story, although I could maybe seeing it a possibility to get a more active player, but tbh Legend wasn’t getting any attention so that’d be dumb.
 
if he was an afk townie it makes no sense at all to kill him since he is no threat to mafia

legend was likely an afk scum, else makes no sense he was targetted out of everyone

I generally agree with the first part but does he have to be scum

We are working on the current theory that JoJo was killed by LG who carried out the faction kill right?

perhaps legend was killed by 3P
 
this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement
Legend was already being brought up as a vig/lynch target, and their replacement faces scrutiny like them. Due to Nitty's action priority, unless scum kills fail then the most logical first person to die in the night was going to be town barring scum on scum violence, therefore the role Melodie's player would take over. By going again conventional logic by killing their own instead of town, Hayumi could potentially go deep under the radar to endgame.

I don’t think this tinfoil is actually likely to be true, especially as it relies on townies caring about the priority rules enough to make logical deductions on the situation, but it's a cool 4d chess move to ponder.
 
It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.
Since mafia/indie kills go before town kills it's extremely unlikely for Legend to have died to a town vig in a night with three successful kills. That would mean all scum kills failed, and town had three kills in the night that were successful.
 
@Pool Party Nitty can you confirm whether or not since mafia and indies have equal kill priority if there are any special interactions between them that you would use RNG or not for in order to determine which one gains a ‘higher priority’?

Mafia and indie kills have equal priority

Can't really answer the second part of that question on a general level
 
Does it say that in the OP or is that just normal mafia order of operations?
2. During the day, actions are processed in the order they're received, and they're processed as soon as the host is able to do so. During the night, actions are processed at the end of the night phase, and in the following order:

1. Role crushes
2. Roleblocks
3. Redirects
4. Mafia & indie kills
5. Town kills
6. All other types of abilities
 
Legend was already being brought up as a vig/lynch target, and their replacement faces scrutiny like them. Due to Nitty's action priority, unless scum kills fail then the most logical first person to die in the night was going to be town barring scum on scum violence, therefore the role Melodie's player would take over. By going again conventional logic by killing their own instead of town, Hayumi could potentially go deep under the radar to endgame.

I don’t think this tinfoil is actually likely to be true, especially as it relies on townies caring about the priority rules enough to make logical deductions on the situation, but it's a cool 4d chess move to ponder.

Am I missing something or is it really not contingent only on that since they could very well have one of their own come into the thread and say “well based on kill priority legend is likely town” such as what you have done?
 
Broadcast message:

Here are his voters:

SinRaven - Hayumi
Iwandesu - Hayumi
Badalight - Hayumi
Remchu - Hayumi
Iwandesu - Hayumi
is a - Hayumi
Kira - Hayumi
Broki - Hayumi


As I already said, I still suspect Badalight and Kira. Both voted for two wagons that weren't on a Mafia scum. I don't like Iwan's voting pattern either so far. I feel like there is a high chance we can find scum amongst those three. So I would defo like claims from Iwan and Kira this DP.


As for the other votes:

Aragorn I agree is scummy (his vote didn't count, but he also voted Hayumi).

Wad: His reasoning seemed genuine, so Town lean on him.

Broki: Her vote seemed a bit opportunistic compared to the rest. And her defense for me last DP is giving me bad vibes because she seemed to know exactly that I was not Mafia which only Mafia would know.
 
I generally agree with the first part but does he have to be scum

We are working on the current theory that JoJo was killed by LG who carried out the faction kill right?

perhaps legend was killed by 3P

jojo likely lost his protections from roleblock, so a simple kill can down him probably. Could even be a blind vig kill since jojo was getting suspected every now and then by ppl iirc. He could be a target for both town and scum/inde. gna wait for LG to confirm what action he used on jojo.

it still doenst make sense even for indies to kill legend, unless rng kill, or maybe trying to avoid accidentally killing maifa for some reason or another.

It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.

pretty much

just gotta keep in mind that this coulda been engineered since the reveal of hayumi's role (melodie) allowed for enough time to get legend killed and have him be replaced.
 
Am I missing something or is it really not contingent only on that since they could very well have one of their own come into the thread and say “well based on kill priority legend is likely town” such as what you have done?
Sure even as I wrote that post I thought about how in this theory someone from the scum team could come into the thread pointing out how due to kill priority Legend and therefore Hayumi are very likely town. Even then, it relies on town listening to their logic, which on NF isn't a given. It's also an unlikely tinfoil as very few players on this site can think up such 4d chess moves. Town players with my theory crafting mindset are vastly more likely to think up these 4d chess moves then any mafia are to implement them. Even smart strategists on a scum team play it safe majority of the time unless they need to make a drastic move, which this mafia shouldn't feel any pressure to do.
 
If all that is true, what's the reason for killing Legend? Surely there are better targets for scum to take out?

Also tinfoil, but a replacement was killed n1 and n2. Perhaps it was the same person/vig that did that?
It's possible scum has a kill that only functions on low posters, or they were trying to go for a low poster to not disturb a beneficial game state.
 


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