Game Members Mafia 4 (indies win!)

[Badalight]

@Badalight

I need you to tell me who you have used your ability(ies) on since Day 1.

[Vote Lynch Cooler]

D1, vote power for myself. N1, protect on you. D2, RB on Iwan. N2 I was RB so nothing.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

how did u know that?

also i thought the host was gna update some roles to match the subs

so thought babby's role will get changed to jojo or sig

the EU LG hint code to me/melodie is an inside joke that LG is the American version of Babby so the opposite is true

 

[Ekkologix]

[vote lynch 1 Lord Genome]

gna stay with this for now

I do trust nessos this game

 

[Shizune]

i have not been role blocked by anything, didn't receive any pm saying that

was there another dice event that we had to roll for?

nitty gotta use threadmarks more lol

What do you mean? I’ve threadmarked every action.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

[Vote lynch Lord Genome]

LG’s role is Babby

why did you think this role was unlikely to be scum?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

[Vote lynch Lord Genome]



why did you think this role was unlikely to be scum?

I didn’t think the role was unlikely to be scum I thought it was unlikely that scum would give other player(s) free information like his character claim from the jump

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I wish Flower's posting restriction was removed

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I hope we learn who killed Laix

 

[Ekkologix]

What do you mean? I’ve threadmarked every action.

i thought iwan was referring to a dice event i havent seen lol

ur fine lol dw

 

[Hero]

[Change Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

 

[Kingslayer]

@Aragorn

Who did you target night 1

None i got roleblocked because of dice

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

D1, vote power for myself. N1, protect on you. D2, RB on Iwan. N2 I was RB so nothing.

If you have extra vote power, you need to be the only one on lynch 2. Everyone else goes on lynch 1. This is to guarantee that both lynches are town controlled.

 

[Badalight]

If you have extra vote power, you need to be the only one on lynch 2. Everyone else goes on lynch 1. This is to guarantee that both lynches are town controlled.

I don't have extra vote power, but I can give myself some.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

[Change Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

None i got roleblocked because of dice

dice wasn’t until day 2 though lol

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

I don't have extra vote power, but I can give myself some.

So you're saying the vote power you gave yourself was temporary? Alright then, just do the same action to give yourself extra vote power this day phase.

 

[Ekkologix]

btw genome doesnt have to be scum to kill jojo

could be a blind vig kill

id like to hear him explain himself on that

 

[Kingslayer]

I will be back with reads in few hours . I just woke up from sleep . Glorious sunday everyone !

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

no answer my question first

 

[Badalight]

So you're saying the vote power you gave yourself was temporary? Alright then, just do the same action to give yourself extra vote power this day phase.

Yep.

I like your plan, as long as everyone cooperates. I'll do the ability towards the end of the phase once I see votes are in the right place and what not. I'll be lynch 2 then?

[Vote Lynch 2 Iwan]

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

btw genome doesnt have to be scum to kill jojo

could be a blind vig kill

id like to hear him explain himself on that

He doesn't need you defending him on this preemptively, let the man speak. If the action he did use against JoJo was a kill, it went through his protections which is also something that needs explaining if it was a town kill.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

 

[Kira Yagami]

[Vote lynch Lord Genome]

I am Tracker that can follow 2 player each night.

Last night I tracked LG and SinRaven
LG -> Jojo
SinRaven -> Cooler, Santi and Ratchet

My night 1 targets
Melodie -> noone
nfc -> Underworld broker

@nfcnorth @Melodie @SinRaven confirm??

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Yep.

I like your plan, as long as everyone cooperates. I'll do the ability towards the end of the phase once I see votes are in the right place and what not. I'll be lynch 2 then?

[Vote Lynch 2 Iwan]

Yes you will be lynch 2. Everyone else goes on lynch 1, which will be on LG unless he gives something clearing.

 

[nfcnorth]

@nfcnorth @Melodie @SinRaven confirm??

already did

 

[nfcnorth]

[vote lynch Lord Genome]

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I didn’t think the role was unlikely to be scum I thought it was unlikely that scum would give other player(s) free information like his character claim from the jump

oh I may have misread your initial post and thought it was because LG's role couldn't be scum.

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

the janitor kill might be related to Hayumi's role? Is it a SK that is getting rid of low posters maybe?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

So you can be shot

This post is pretty funny in retrospect if LG actually killed JoJo.

 

[Hayumi]

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

True, I’m really curious on what made someone pick Legend when he was an inactifag for as much as I can remember.


Yep, just checked and he literally had 6 posts.

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[Kira Yagami]

[Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

We really need to stop letting him coast through games

 

[Kira Yagami]

He doesn't need you defending him on this preemptively, let the man speak. If the action he did use against JoJo was a kill, it went through his protections which is also something that needs explaining if it was a town kill.

your list says jojo was blocked last night, that disables protective passives, no?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

True, I’m really curious on what made someone pick Legend when he was an inactifag for as much as I can remember.


Yep, just checked and he literally had 6 posts.

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Sometimes there are killers/kills that target low posters specifically.

 

[Badalight]

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

he most likely performed the mafia kill using his ‘town cred’

the third kill tonight that janitor’d legend is puzzling

It’s not the same kind of janitor that we presume mafia has (the ‘hidden’ kill)

So it’s likely an SK-adjacent role

but why kill legend? and why did such a kill not show up n1

Were they blocked?

Melodie's namesake role said the next person that died would be janitored.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

your list says jojo was blocked last night, that disables protective passives, no?

1. "Doctors," or roles with protective abilities, cannot protect themselves. Roleblocks disable some passive defenses, such as bulletproof abilities. Players learn when they are blocked.

Potentially yeah.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Melodie's namesake role said the next person that died would be janitored.

U rite

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

So, Hayumi wasn't scum, he was a relatively harmless Indie role. Again I ask you, what does this tell us about his wagon?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

There’s pretty much no way I think that Nitty designs a vig-like role for Babby (LG’s claim)

I don't know Babby at all. Would Nitty design something like a janitor/hidden kill for Babby ?

LG was in Laix's group for N1

 

[Ekkologix]

He doesn't need you defending him on this preemptively, let the man speak. If the action he did use against JoJo was a kill, it went through his protections which is also something that needs explaining if it was a town kill.

thats what i just said, you dont have to rly rephrase it lol

im not protecting him, just waiting on him to explain himself

my vote is already on him unless he proves innocent somehow

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@Flower

We can’t really gain anything from it unless we know iwan’s alignment

That said

aragorn’s voting yesterday was highly erratic, he evaded my interrogation just now, and has generally displayed suspicious behavior all game and has shown a stark contrast to his town meta

hook line and sinker

He should be lynch number 2 today

[Vote Lynch Aragorn]

 

[Ekkologix]

"If Melodie dies, then the next person who dies after her will have their role hidden from the thread, and Melodie will return to the game and take on their role and win condition for another chance at winning the game."

Legend died right after hayumi (melodie) was lynched

so his role wasent revealed and instead became the new hayumi's role

 

[Badalight]

I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.

That's some Melodie Olivia nexus lovers type shit.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I don't know Babby at all. Would Nitty design something like a janitor/hidden kill for Babby ?

LG was in Laix's group for N1

No way imo
I feel like nitty would only give killing roles to relatively significant mafia player roles and in the grand scheme of things Babby is a random genin

I wonder if Nitty allows for mafia targeting their own with kills. The tinfoil of Legend being mafia that they offed to get an active player into that role, that would have less suspicion on them, greatly amuses me as an interaction, especially as mafia kills in this game go before town kills, so their kill is guaranteed to trigger it unless there's an SK kill that goes through in which case it would probably be a coin flip.

this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

@Flower : How about actually examining the wagon and seeing who was on it despite them having bigger suspects. Give those who voted after the indie claim some leeway, but still scrutinize their reaction for scum tells. You're jumping on the wagon as if Hayumi flipped town. They weren't town, and that showed in their posting, which people picked up on. Despite their role being pretty neutral it still had a guilty alignment, and it's role improvings benefit scum more than town because they have info and organization on their side.

 

[Hayumi]

"If Melodie dies, then the next person who dies after her will have their role hidden from the thread, and Melodie will return to the game and take on their role and win condition for another chance at winning the game."

Legend died right after hayumi (melodie) was lynched

so his role wasent revealed and instead became the new hayumi's role

Correct. I can thankfully confirm Legend was town lmao.

 

[Hayumi]

No way imo
I feel like nitty would only give killing roles to relatively significant mafia player roles and in the grand scheme of things Babby is a random genin



this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement

Very accurate. Mafia wasting a kill on their own just to get me to sub in? Cute story, although I could maybe seeing it a possibility to get a more active player, but tbh Legend wasn’t getting any attention so that’d be dumb.

 

[Ekkologix]

but tbh Legend wasn’t getting any attention so that’d be dumb.

if he was an afk townie it makes no sense at all to kill him since he is no threat to mafia

legend was likely an afk scum, else makes no sense he was targetted out of everyone

 

[Ekkologix]

meaning current hayumi is scum and likely might needed to be lynched again

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

if he was an afk townie it makes no sense at all to kill him since he is no threat to mafia

legend was likely an afk scum, else makes no sense he was targetted out of everyone

I generally agree with the first part but does he have to be scum

We are working on the current theory that JoJo was killed by LG who carried out the faction kill right?

perhaps legend was killed by 3P

 

[Badalight]

It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@Pool Party Nitty can you confirm whether or not since mafia and indies have equal kill priority if there are any special interactions between them that you would use RNG or not for in order to determine which one gains a ‘higher priority’?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

this is spicy
but why waste the resource and not instead look 4 sub
nothing against hayumi but it’s not like he’s some S-tier replacement

Legend was already being brought up as a vig/lynch target, and their replacement faces scrutiny like them. Due to Nitty's action priority, unless scum kills fail then the most logical first person to die in the night was going to be town barring scum on scum violence, therefore the role Melodie's player would take over. By going again conventional logic by killing their own instead of town, Hayumi could potentially go deep under the radar to endgame.

I don’t think this tinfoil is actually likely to be true, especially as it relies on townies caring about the priority rules enough to make logical deductions on the situation, but it's a cool 4d chess move to ponder.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.

the thing is the order of the kills is mafia and indie kills first and then its town.

 

[Badalight]

the thing is the order of the kills is mafia and indie kills first and then its town.

Does it say that in the OP or is that just normal mafia order of operations?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.

Since mafia/indie kills go before town kills it's extremely unlikely for Legend to have died to a town vig in a night with three successful kills. That would mean all scum kills failed, and town had three kills in the night that were successful.

 

[Shizune]

@Pool Party Nitty can you confirm whether or not since mafia and indies have equal kill priority if there are any special interactions between them that you would use RNG or not for in order to determine which one gains a ‘higher priority’?

Mafia and indie kills have equal priority

Can't really answer the second part of that question on a general level

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Does it say that in the OP or is that just normal mafia order of operations?

2. During the day, actions are processed in the order they're received, and they're processed as soon as the host is able to do so. During the night, actions are processed at the end of the night phase, and in the following order:

1. Role crushes
2. Roleblocks
3. Redirects
4. Mafia & indie kills
5. Town kills
6. All other types of abilities

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Does it say that in the OP or is that just normal mafia order of operations?

In the OP

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Legend was already being brought up as a vig/lynch target, and their replacement faces scrutiny like them. Due to Nitty's action priority, unless scum kills fail then the most logical first person to die in the night was going to be town barring scum on scum violence, therefore the role Melodie's player would take over. By going again conventional logic by killing their own instead of town, Hayumi could potentially go deep under the radar to endgame.

I don’t think this tinfoil is actually likely to be true, especially as it relies on townies caring about the priority rules enough to make logical deductions on the situation, but it's a cool 4d chess move to ponder.

Am I missing something or is it really not contingent only on that since they could very well have one of their own come into the thread and say “well based on kill priority legend is likely town” such as what you have done?

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

I agree with Aragorn. He is usually passive, but this time isn't even questioning people. Could be that he rolled scum this game.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Basically, for Legend to be scum he would have to have died to scum vs scum violence or the 4d chess move tinfoil I pondered.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

Here are his voters:

SinRaven - Hayumi
Iwandesu - Hayumi
Badalight - Hayumi
Remchu - Hayumi
Iwandesu - Hayumi
is a - Hayumi
Kira - Hayumi
Broki - Hayumi


As I already said, I still suspect Badalight and Kira. Both voted for two wagons that weren't on a Mafia scum. I don't like Iwan's voting pattern either so far. I feel like there is a high chance we can find scum amongst those three. So I would defo like claims from Iwan and Kira this DP.


As for the other votes:

Aragorn I agree is scummy (his vote didn't count, but he also voted Hayumi).

Wad: His reasoning seemed genuine, so Town lean on him.

Broki: Her vote seemed a bit opportunistic compared to the rest. And her defense for me last DP is giving me bad vibes because she seemed to know exactly that I was not Mafia which only Mafia would know.

 

[Ekkologix]

I generally agree with the first part but does he have to be scum

We are working on the current theory that JoJo was killed by LG who carried out the faction kill right?

perhaps legend was killed by 3P

jojo likely lost his protections from roleblock, so a simple kill can down him probably. Could even be a blind vig kill since jojo was getting suspected every now and then by ppl iirc. He could be a target for both town and scum/inde. gna wait for LG to confirm what action he used on jojo.

it still doenst make sense even for indies to kill legend, unless rng kill, or maybe trying to avoid accidentally killing maifa for some reason or another.

It's also possible Legend was scum and got vigged. We have no indication of his alignment aside from Hayumi's word at the moment. We have nothing to go on from legend himself either.

pretty much

just gotta keep in mind that this coulda been engineered since the reveal of hayumi's role (melodie) allowed for enough time to get legend killed and have him be replaced.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Basically, for Legend to be scum he would have to have died to scum vs scum violence or the 4d chess move tinfoil I pondered.

...or killed by indie/3P (perfectly logical if we are working with LG being mafia’s killer last night)

 

[Badalight]

If all that is true, what's the reason for killing Legend? Surely there are better targets for scum to take out?

Also tinfoil, but a replacement was killed n1 and n2. Perhaps it was the same person/vig that did that?

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

Am I missing something or is it really not contingent only on that since they could very well have one of their own come into the thread and say “well based on kill priority legend is likely town” such as what you have done?

Sure even as I wrote that post I thought about how in this theory someone from the scum team could come into the thread pointing out how due to kill priority Legend and therefore Hayumi are very likely town. Even then, it relies on town listening to their logic, which on NF isn't a given. It's also an unlikely tinfoil as very few players on this site can think up such 4d chess moves. Town players with my theory crafting mindset are vastly more likely to think up these 4d chess moves then any mafia are to implement them. Even smart strategists on a scum team play it safe majority of the time unless they need to make a drastic move, which this mafia shouldn't feel any pressure to do.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

...or killed by indie/3P (perfectly logical if we are working with LG being mafia’s killer last night)

...by scum on scum violence I was talking about independent vs mafia, such as an SK killing mafia!Legend or mafia killing a hostile indie Legend.

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

@Flower there were more voters for Hayumi then that, but some like myself were vote silenced from the Nataj thing.

 

[Nessos]

Hayumi turned into Legend after Legend was killed by Mafia or Indie?

 

[Kira Yagami]

I dont underatand flowers train of thoughts, Im sus for voting for two scum?
But those who werent on those wagons arent sus to you despite you not knowing what any other player bar them 2 scum flipped as?

 

[Ekkologix]

well mafia/indie have the same order so it probably went like this

d2:
hayumi (melodie) lynched

n2:
1. indie/mafia killed legend
2. mafia killed jojo
3. town vigged LM

 

[WolfPrinceKiba]

If all that is true, what's the reason for killing Legend? Surely there are better targets for scum to take out?

Also tinfoil, but a replacement was killed n1 and n2. Perhaps it was the same person/vig that did that?

It's possible scum has a kill that only functions on low posters, or they were trying to go for a low poster to not disturb a beneficial game state.

 

[Ekkologix]

or u could also say mafia/town killed jojo ^

 

[Kira Yagami]

If Melodie dies, then the next person who dies after her will have their role hidden from the thread,

The Melodie role does specify that shed take the next person who died after hers role

Given the process order, I can see LM being the vig kill, hes been sussed quite a bit too i believe
And Legend being an indie kill, i dont see him being the mafia kill over jojo

 

[Nessos]

Mafia replacing Legend with a more active player would only make sense, if Legends was under fire. Which he wasn't.

On the other hand why would anyone go for Legend?

 

[Ekkologix]

Mafia replacing Legend with a more active player would only make sense, if Legends was under fire. Which he wasn't.

On the other hand why would anyone go for Legend?

if legend was under fire, replacing him will make it even more obvious and worse for mafia lol

 

[Ekkologix]

It's possible scum has a kill that only functions on low posters, or they were trying to go for a low poster to not disturb a beneficial game state.

are u guys aware of anybody whose usual meta is to kill afkers? that could be a scum role rn that can say for example, kill anyone of the bottom 5~10 posters.

 

[Ekkologix]

well i gotta go sleep, gn ever1

 

[Underworld Broker]

[Vote Lynch Lord Genome]

 

[Underworld Broker]

We need ppl on Aragorn too tbh, he has to go