Game Members Mafia 4 (indies win!)

[Lord Genome]

I mean it's possible both me and nessos are town, which is what I'm thinking

 

[Underworld Broker]

Melodie is inconsistent I usually can’t get a good read on her because her level of engagement fluctuates wildly

i asked btw cause she still didnt answer your question + she totally fell flat after the CFD thing she mentioned on day1 and iirc hasnt brought up anything after that day

 

[nfcnorth]

The wording would be different:

Tracker shows sth like that:

"Your target was seen visiting Player X"

Watcher this:

"Player X visited your target".

True but there is the hidden element to this. Nessos doesn't know that his result is swapped since that is on my end and as far as he is concerned hidden info that I have this passive.

 

[Ekkologix]

also sin targetting 3 ppl

 

[Flower]

I mean it's possible both me and nessos are town, which is what I'm thinking

Very slim possibility.

 

[Ekkologix]

Why did the WoW player get a WoW role and I get just a broadcaster role ?

dont want to hear complains

the role I have is nothing like me

 

[Lord Genome]

I'm just saying cuz I'm gonna get lynched and flip town and then everyone's gonna look at the bird and be like yo and then he's gonna get lynched and prob flip town and then this will be a waste of a Lynch almost

 

[Santí]

Why did the WoW player get a WoW role and I get just a broadcaster role ?

Oh believe me.

It gets worse.

 

[nfcnorth]

think about it this way wouldn't you in nessos shoes be confused as tracker if you got watcher results when you aren't one? The results still should be presented like he is a tracker

 

[Flower]

@Underworld Broker what did you do to north?

 

[nfcnorth]

shudnt ur pasive also target nessos as a result of him targetting u?

so nessos should see this

nfc -> broki, nessos

You know that is a good point tbh. But tbf this whole mess is a bit confusing lol

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

i asked btw cause she still didnt answer your question + she totally fell flat after the CFD thing she mentioned on day1 and iirc hasnt brought up anything after that day

My scum read of her has weakened a bit because I think it’s possible she realize how hard she trolled if she is actually town on d1 and has been quiet out of shame

Of course she could just be simply scum hiding again now that Neither myself nor anyone else has given her real pressure

she is just outside my top 5 of people I want dead yesterday

 

[Ekkologix]

think about it this way wouldn't you in nessos shoes be confused as tracker if you got watcher results when you aren't one? The results still should be presented like he is a tracker

ur passive makes it look like u targetted broki, so what nessos got was a natural tracker result. Thats the only thing that makes sense rn

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

man fuck this phase
and fuck you cunts only showing up actively when you get accused
kys

 

[Flower]

Next DP I'm gonna go back to the radio station again .

 

[Underworld Broker]

@Underworld Broker what did you do to north?

I'm not sure why giving out that info would be beneficial yet other than giving free info to scum about what i can do?

 

[Flower]

I'm not sure why giving out that info would be beneficial yet other than giving free info to scum about what i can do?

You should have done the opposite on your action on north, too, so yes, it's pretty useful to know.

 

[Nessos]

so nessos should see this

nfc -> broki, nessos

Lets believe nfc and broki.
Why should I see me?
I targeted nfc during the day not during the night.

 

[Ekkologix]

You should have done the opposite on your action on north, too, so yes, it's pretty useful to know.

i dont think thats how it works,

nfc should have done to broki what broki did to nfc

if im understanding it correctly

 

[Underworld Broker]

You should have done the opposite on your action on north, too, so yes, it's pretty useful to know.

nah, trust me i know what im talking about.

 

[Hero]

Btw guys, go ahead and request players for me to kill at night.

I don't really care if I'm outing myself at this point because people want to be hard headed and I can't get any leads like this.

I’m not sure if I’m connecting the dots right, but you’re claiming to be a night time vig?

@is a

in a game like this, how many night time only vigs would there be

 

[Ekkologix]

Lets believe nfc and broki.
Why should I see me?
I targeted nfc during the day not during the night.

because of nfc's passive that should target you with a tracker if you targetted nfc with a tracker if im understanding it correctly

meaning nfc should also see this for n1

nessos -> nfc, melodie

 

[Flower]

I would believe all of the parties involved are Town, but I feel a slight resistance towards the prospect of Nessos being scum from some players which raises some flags.

 

[Shizune]

Notice
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Patch 1.3 is being installed, bringing what should hopefully be the final round of balance changes.​

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

because of nfc's passive that should target you with a tracker if you targetted nfc with a tracker if im understanding it correctly

meaning nfc should also see this for n1

nessos -> nfc, melodie

but nessos is saying he targeted nfc during the day though.

If the exact opposite happened, then he gets the result of who visited him at night. Nessos didn't visit him at night

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I’m not sure if I’m connecting the dots right, but you’re claiming to be a night time vig?

@is a

in a game like this, how many night time only vigs would there be

Nitty doesn’t typically like to make someone a dedicated vig in his games

they will be either limited uses, delayed, or conditional

Which would explain his allegation he’s not killed anyone yet

 

[Lord Genome]

So I would receive no targets from the nessos track since he did it in the day

Based on my convo with host

 

[Ekkologix]

Notice

Patch 1.3 is being installed, bringing what should hopefully be the final round of balance changes.​

stop nerfing my namesake role everytime cuz im too dem OP

let whoever has my role enjoy his life

 

[Lord Genome]

Imo wads either mafia or his town radar is bad just based on this day

I'm leaning mafia tbh

 

[Underworld Broker]

My scum read of her has weakened a bit because I think it’s possible she realize how hard she trolled if she is actually town on d1 and has been quiet out of shame

has smth similar happened in the past or why you consider the 'quiet out of shame'?

Of course she could just be simply scum hiding again now that Neither myself nor anyone else has given her real pressure

she is just outside my top 5 of people I want dead yesterday

who is your top5 now since you brought it up

 

[Nessos]

because of nfc's passive that should target you with a tracker if you targetted nfc with a tracker if im understanding it correctly

meaning nfc should also see this for n1

nessos -> nfc, melodie

Didn't nfc claims to make Player targeting him the opposite action like

Protect <-> Kill
Track <-> Watch
Sane Cop <-> Insane Cop


If nfc redirects back stuff then I should have gotten no result. Cause I didn't targeted anyone during the night. Which would mean nfc is lying.

 

[Ekkologix]

but nessos is saying he targeted nfc during the day though.

If the exact opposite happened, then he gets the result of who visited him at night. Nessos didn't visit him at night

can u explaim nfc passive to me i'm confused then lol

also does it only work at night?

 

[Hero]

Nitty doesn’t typically like to make someone a dedicated vig in his games

they will be either limited uses, delayed, or conditional

Which would explain his allegation he’s not killed anyone yet

Ok.

so my question is, would Nitty desígnate more than 1 night time vigilante in the game? Or would it be broken up to a day vig and a night vig

 

[Flower]

The opposite of a Day-Night Tracker would be a Night-Day Watcher. But I don't think Nitty would go for the exact opposite of an action.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Imo wads either mafia or his town radar is bad just based on this day

I'm leaning mafia tbh

How do you know my town radar is bad just based on this day if you should only be sure of your alignment

I could be dead ass right about everyone else ive sussed

and I’ve been dead ass right about the indies I helped push lynch the next 2 days

This OMGUS is weak sauce and once again

I will ask you

how is what you said about your role alignment indicative whatsoever

Stop dodging that question

 

[Ekkologix]

Didn't nfc claims to make Player targeting him the opposite action like

Protect <-> Kill
Track <-> Watch
Sane Cop <-> Insane Cop


If nfc redirects back stuff then I should have gotten no result. Cause I didn't targeted anyone during the night. Which would mean nfc is lying.

yea i see, im understand nfc passive wrong

i thought it just makes him do the same action back to u, without negating ur action

so u track him, and he tracks u back via passive

 

[Underworld Broker]

i like when wad is being pushy

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

can u explaim nfc passive to me i'm confused then lol

also does it only work at night?

nfc's claim is the exact opposite happens to him.

Nessos said he targeted nfc during the day phase. Nessos is claiming his ability shows who they track at night.
Because of nfc's passive, Nessos actually watched him. Nessos didn't target nfc at night though so he wouldn't show up in the results. UB did show up.

 

[Flower]

But yeah, that opposite ability thing does not sound Town at all. Because that player couldn't even be killed because kill=heal and superkill=superheal or superprotect.

 

[Ekkologix]

well now that i understand the passive its actually pretty broken for a town member, idk why would nfc even want to share that lol

i find it hard to belive tbh

 

[nfcnorth]

But yeah, that opposite ability thing does not sound Town at all. Because that player couldn't even be killed because kill=heal and superkill=superheal or superprotect.

I mean I just told you how to kill me because you are forgetting that it goes the other way and heals equals a dead me

 

[Ekkologix]

also again LG's role could both be town/mafia/indie depends on what he chooses.

hunter is likely a hostile indie

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

has smth similar happened in the past or why you consider the 'quiet out of shame'?

I wouldn’t be able to recall specific examples but it’s not exactly a condition that is particularly rare

think of a townie who has been trying to read people and push lynched only to be wrong

That tilt might make them quiet

who is your top5 now since you brought it up

In no real order

LG
Aragorn
Ratchet
Natalija
Owner

Ok.

so my question is, would Nitty desígnate more than 1 night time vigilante in the game? Or would it be broken up to a day vig and a night vig

Like I said that’s not how it works
Nitty’s vigs are special

 

[nfcnorth]

well now that i understand the passive its actually pretty broken for a town member, idk why would nfc even want to share that lol

i find it hard to belive tbh

Tbh I have been very mixed on if I should out or not but I can't exactly go back now so hear we are I guess

 

[Flower]

well now that i understand the passive its actually pretty broken for a town member, idk why would nfc even want to share that lol

i find it hard to belive tbh

You'd have to target him with a kill to heal him and a heal to kill him which I find quite unlikely for a Town to have.

 

[Ekkologix]

if i have to chose someone to believe it would be Nessos > nfc > LG tbh

so i'd lynch them in this order if i have to LG > nfc > nessos

 

[Lord Genome]

How do you know my town radar is bad just based on this day if you should only be sure of your alignment

I could be dead ass right about everyone else ive sussed

and I’ve been dead ass right about the indies I helped push lynch the next 2 days

This OMGUS is weak sauce and once again

I will ask you

how is what you said about your role alignment indicative whatsoever

Stop dodging that question

Your posting style reminds me of wpks game so PTSD

Being right about about Indies also isn't alignment indicative, especially with a cult

It's not, other than being mafia picking tracker would be a meme instead of a majority Lynch protection or a super kill etc

 

[Lord Genome]

if i have to chose someone to believe it would be Nessos > nfc > LG tbh

so i'd lynch them in this order if i have to LG > nfc > nessos

I'd Lynch none tbh(my vote is on nessos but I don't have vote power lmao)

 

[Iwandesu]

Well, there is a contradiction between Nessos and north regardless of if the targets are valid or not, so I feel like one is defo lying.

Yeah
something very fishy there tbh

 

[nfcnorth]

You'd have to target him with a kill to heal him and a heal to kill him which I find quite unlikely for a Town to have.

This isn't even the tankiest town role I have been tbh.

 

[Flower]

if i have to chose someone to believe it would be Nessos > nfc > LG tbh

so i'd lynch them in this order if i have to LG > nfc > nessos

Yeah, but if Nessos is lying, then nfc is likely lying, too.

 

[Ekkologix]

You'd have to target him with a kill to heal him and a heal to kill him which I find quite unlikely for a Town to have.

doesn't have to be scum tho, could be protown indie

 

[Flower]

This isn't even the tankiest town role I have been tbh.

I've had an unkillable Town redirector role once, but that was because Town was weak in that game. Town isn't weak here.

 

[Ekkologix]

speaking of which, does ur passive work against mafia faction kill or lynches lol @nfc

 

[Ekkologix]

I'd Lynch none tbh(my vote is on nessos but I don't have vote power lmao)

i dont either so we're stuck here staring at each others

 

[Underworld Broker]

In no real order

LG
Aragorn
Ratchet
Natalija
Owner

Hmm.. why natalija? (tbh based on the ability she claimed i'd think she's indie)

rest seems like a good list

whats your thoughts on WPK?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Your posting style reminds me of wpks game so PTSD

How so
I feel as if I have not played the way I have this game in years probably

Being right about about Indies also isn't alignment indicative, especially with a cult

I mean...it shows that the people I’ve been mainly gunning after have been flipping not town?

As far as I can introspect my current thread credibility is good

It's not, other than being mafia picking tracker would be a meme instead of a majority Lynch protection or a super kill etc

that’s true but

1) we have no proof that the role description of these classes are what you say they are and you don’t have other things

2) We don’t have proof that you’re even actually a tracker

 

[Flower]

Because rn this just sounds all like an elaborate lie to cover up a scum slip. Nessos isn't even really helping at trying to figure it all out when a lot of us are busy trying to solve this.

 

[Lord Genome]

that’s true but

1) we have no proof that the role description of these classes are what you say they are and you don’t have other things

2) We don’t have proof that you’re even actually a tracker

I mean using that logic we have no proof nessos is a tracker soooo

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Hmm.. why natalija? (tbh based on the ability she claimed i'd think she's indie)

rest seems like a good list

whats your thoughts on WPK?

That ability is anti town no matter how you slice it. I hope we revisit her soon instead of letting her get away with trollolol I’m at work trollolol I’m on vacation the fuck

WPK...is my biggest null read and is honestly the player I’m most worried about in the game

I oscillate between “ah yeah he’s town I think” to “oh no he’s the fucking big bad isn’t he” only to have the pendulum stop at “man idk what to think”

 

[nfcnorth]

And tbh the biggest threat to my role isn't mafia or indies its other fellow town. My role kind of balances out by the fact it can die if I am seen as a strong town read by a doctor. Also abilties wise for the other things I have claimed not sure where I would put power level finding as I don't think that is something that is exactly pro town to share And writeup abilties looking at is cool and all but it depends on the right things showing up in the right time to be useful.

speaking of which, does ur passive work against mafia faction kill or lynches lol @nfc

No factions mentioned at all. But it does have to be targeted though

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I don't think nessos is lying. If he is, why frame LG?

It's not, other than being mafia picking tracker would be a meme instead of a majority Lynch protection or a super kill etc

all we have is your word. We don't know if you actually picked those other roles.

I would've liked that rez pick

 

[Lord Genome]

I'm just saying, assuming I'm lynched and then assuming nessos flips town tracker, I didn't target JoJo and I was moved

Redirector would also probably be mafia

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

I mean using that logic we have no proof nessos is a tracker soooo

nessos is being backed up by other people like Sin though

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

I mean using that logic we have no proof nessos is a tracker soooo

Didn’t sin verify his results as well as this whole weird interaction with nfc

 

[Lord Genome]

I don't think nessos is lying. If he is, why frame LG?



all we have is your word. We don't know if you actually picked those other roles.

I would've liked that rez pick

So you think me fake claiming tracker out of those is the most realistic fake claim option??

 

[Lord Genome]

Didn’t sin verify his results as well as this whole weird interaction with nfc

Oh that's fair

 

[Ekkologix]

And tbh the biggest threat to my role isn't mafia or indies its other fellow town. My role kind of balances out by the fact it can die if I am seen as a strong town read by a doctor. Also abilties wise for the other things I have claimed not sure where I would put power level finding as I don't think that is something that is exactly pro town to share And writeup abilties looking at is cool and all but it depends on the right things showing up in the right time to be useful.

No factions mentioned at all. But it does have to be targeted though

well i can see ur role being town given how my role requires protection to function and is useless without it.

we got some interesting roles this game lol

 

[Iwandesu]

Btw one more thing about the legend killer, I have mentioned D1 that my new meta in any game will be eliminating afks and inactive players.

few mins later the host did some role updates

do you think my namesake role got updated to be able to eliminate low post count players? mind you that the host doesn't know much about me before this game so its pretty plausible.

my role is likely an indie tho, really doubt it being scum. So if thats the case then legend's killer is indie.

It is not impossible but i dont believe shizune would straight up give abilties to someone like this

 

[Ekkologix]

It is not impossible but i dont believe shizune would straight up give abilties to someone like this

they probably already had abilities to kill, it just balanced it out and made them kills vs inactive targets mostly

 

[Flower]

Tinfoil:

Nessos, nfc and LG are all scums and they converted LG last night to bus him for cred .

 

[Ekkologix]

nessos is being backed up by other people like Sin though

Didn’t sin verify his results as well as this whole weird interaction with nfc

i must've skipped that part

what was the action sin took against the 3 ppl he targetted?

was he the one roleblocking/reducing votes?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

So you think me fake claiming tracker out of those is the most realistic fake claim option??

problem is we don't have anyone backing up your claim as a tracker. Who did you target n2 again? You said Sin and who?

 

[Lord Genome]

Tinfoil:

Nessos, nfc and LG are all scums and they converted LG last night to bus him for cred .

That would be a waste since I had no pressure on me before and a wsmaste if a convert (assuming it's cult)

It could be a convert that I to works when a "guilty" is killed

 

[Lord Genome]

problem is we don't have anyone backing up your claim as a tracker. Who did you target n2 again? You said Sin and who?

Sin and nessos

Which I won't get till tonight but if I got redirected to JoJo I'll just know who he targeted

Which is no one cause he doesn't have anything that does

 

[Underworld Broker]

That ability is anti town no matter how you slice it. I hope we revisit her soon instead of letting her get away with trollolol I’m at work trollolol I’m on vacation the fuck

WPK...is my biggest null read and is honestly the player I’m most worried about in the game

I oscillate between “ah yeah he’s town I think” to “oh no he’s the fucking big bad isn’t he” only to have the pendulum stop at “man idk what to think”

Oh good that you mention that ability being anti town, i remember Kvothe saying it's possible to be town which struck me as odd ever since. Also yeah i didnt like those posts of natalija either, activity excuses to the max rofl

The thing that bothers me (it's cause i havent seen that yet) is that he's actually being more active for once instead of posting close to the end of the day phase lol, his posts where kinda null tho dont remember much other than him casually explaining stuff and a meaningfull post inbetween

 

[Ekkologix]

i belive redirecting also counts as targetting right?

so the redirecter should also appear on one of the trackers

 

[Flower]

@Lord Genome how does the delay work?

 

[Iwandesu]

Because if you targeted me and I targeted you it doesn't really matter what the opposite is both are getting the same result

which would be ?

 

[Flower]

Again, redirects only affect the first target, usually, so he should have gotten two targets as a result regardless.