Game Members Mafia 4 (indies win!)

[Iwandesu]

Flower says he claimed karma, not legend.

Hmmmmmm

 

[Worm Juice]

@Worm Juice are you town?

Yes

 

[Badalight]

rofl flower's stress test

only the most hardened mafia players could ever pass it!

 

[Worm Juice]

I have a new read method. I just like every post I read

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

RATCHET CLAIMED KARMA oh my god, just read the thread.

 

[Iwandesu]

Yeah karma is not really someone I would give a scum role to but....I also would never make him unlynchable

 

[Worm Juice]

This way it’s also like a bookmark

 

[Ratchet]

Ratchet is claiming indie?

No? What could you possibly have interpreted from me as an Indie claim?

 

[Iwandesu]

@Flower Claim is one thing. Doesn't mean the claim is legitimate. Think of the scenario where one of his scummates is Karma, or one of the janitored roles is Karma. He can easily make that claim in that case.

Also need I to say how his claim doesn't add up as karma
Why karma is restricted
Why is karma unlynchable ?

 

[Iwandesu]

Broadcast message:

That's bad logic lol

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

Why did you assume he's hinting Legend, though?

 

[Iwandesu]

Broadcast message:

Thats more good usage

 

[Ratchet]

Also need I to say how his claim doesn't add up as karma
Why karma is restricted
Why is karma unlynchable ?

You know full well I can't answer this.

 

[Iwandesu]

Broadcast message:

He said it was nobody he never played with or something
I just assumed legend would fit in it given legend is always AFK

 

[Badalight]

Yeah karma is not really someone I would give a scum role to but....I also would never make him unlynchable

Let's assume for a second he is unlynchable.

Which role would fit that out of the remaining roles?

The only answer is Badalight.

 

[Iwandesu]

You know full well I can't answer this.

I only know what you claim to not be able to answer tbh
I also know you have been talking about a bunch of your abilities and interactions without getting punished so ....no I'm not sure bro

 

[Iwandesu]

Broadcast message:

Why you saying a claim restriction adds up !

 

[Karma]

No? What could you possibly have interpreted from me as an Indie claim?

I missed the last few days and I'm not gonna go back and read

All I know is ur me and apprently unlynchable

 

[Iwandesu]

Let's assume for a second he is unlynchable.

Which role would fit that out of the remaining roles?

The only answer is Badalight.

Maybe
Will take a look at it

 

[Ratchet]

I only know what you claim to not be able to answer tbh
I also know you have been talking about a bunch of your abilities and interactions without getting punished so ....no I'm not sure bro

In what fucking world is me not being able to full claim and share the details here convenient for me? It'd be so much easier to come up with something than rely on people taking my word for it that I can't discuss it.

 

[Iwandesu]

I missed the last few days and I'm not gonna go back and read

All I know is ur me and apprently unlynchable

Why would you ever get either those two abilities
> Unlynchable
> Restricted posting

 

[Badalight]

Maybe
Will take a look at it

You'd know better than me, but my role hasn't shown up yet and I was an unlynchable mafia GF when I was dubbed Badaroach.

 

[Ratchet]

Why would you ever get either those two abilities
> Unlynchable
> Restricted posting

Restricted on claiming, not posting.

 

[Badalight]

Why would you ever get either those two abilities
> Unlynchable
> Restricted posting

Is it even restricted posting? For a restricted poster, he sure is talking a lot about his abilities.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@Flower

@ Wad

What "mechanical reasons"? You straight up pushed for the " LG is scum, Nessos is right" angle yesterday. You don't consider Cooler could be Town either. You are not considering possibilities at all. LG saying the truth became blatantly obvious after I put him through a "stress test" and yet you guys weren't changing votes afterwards. You're powering through like you did last game. And your supposed result also reminds me of your play last game where you framed LM. You are powerwolfing again and given how nobody is actually trying to deflect from Cooler after your claim is just adding to this.

Did you already forget?

Shading you when you're already a target for lynch today anyway because of your scummy behaviour? If I was scum I wouldn't need to do that in the first place. You're doing a good job of acting scummy by yourself.

utter misappropriated bullshit

1. im not a target for a lynch today, see: survivor memes
2. if thats what you mean by being a target for a lynch, it has nothing to do with any so-called 'scummy behavior'

it just a meme ability and who knows why natalija chose the targets she did

as for the context of your first quote

i didnt push for shit last phase, i did lean most strongly towards LG being the liar at first and ultimately sure thats where i parked my vote but i think its pretty clear i gave up even attempting to contribute to the conversation at some point (which you can misinterpret as something else entirely nefariously different, sure)

i think cooler being town is an extremely low possibility, but given how rock solid my mechanical indictment is on him i think it was a good idea to claim it and see how he responded, which i responded in turn to with asking for claims (which he has not)

appeals to history arent gonna work against me because its not like i follow any specific patterns as town or scum
anyways riddle me this:

with all the supposed conversions/mafia recruitments

how are we supposed to remain confident that YOU are still town?
because if that was me, recruiting this high game presence announcer role who was the biggest town read out of day 1 seems like the dream, be it cultist or mafia recruiter

 

[Kira Yagami]

Ratchet is claiming Karma? Whyd you say ur role was someone who was subbed out? @Ratchet

 

[Karma]

Why would you ever get either those two abilities
> Unlynchable
> Restricted posting

Tbh idk if nitty knows me that well.

Honestly thought hed make a role around my avatar/bame

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

also in case people arent reading the other thread

im kind of convinced now that ratchet = karma = this mysterious force thats been fucking with our vote power (karma is after all...a mysterious force)

is this not a legit theory or what

 

[Kira Yagami]

Also why is everyone so trusting of all these claims? Theres an entire janitored role we have no knowledge of

 

[Ratchet]

Ratchet is claiming Karma? Whyd you say ur role was someone who was subbed out? @Ratchet

I didn't recall my character playing. I checked and they hadn't posted in a while. I never said they were subbed out, I said they may have been.

 

[Ratchet]

also in case people arent reading the other thread

im kind of convinced now that ratchet = karma = this mysterious force thats been fucking with our vote power (karma is after all...a mysterious force)

is this not a legit theory or what

No, it's horseshit you've pulled from nowhere in your scramble to save face.

 

[Badalight]

*Ratchet is unlynchable

*Ratchet spends hours trying to stop us from lynching him

ok.

 

[Kira Yagami]

@Worm Juice relax fam

 

[Iwandesu]

In what fucking world is me not being able to full claim and share the details here convenient for me? It'd be so much easier to come up with something than rely on people taking my word for it that I can't discuss it.

I mean you could have a post restrictions and be someone else ?

 

[Iwandesu]

Tbh idk if nitty knows me that well.

Honestly thought hed make a role around my avatar/bame

Hmmm
Are you indie @Ratchet ?

 

[Kira Yagami]

also in case people arent reading the other thread

im kind of convinced now that ratchet = karma = this mysterious force thats been fucking with our vote power (karma is after all...a mysterious force)

is this not a legit theory or what

Apparently that mysterious force is Kvothe
UB saw her reducing everyones vote power on n2 when she shouldve been roleblocked cause of dice

 

[Iwandesu]

I don't hate the Karma=misteirous force theory
You are unable to do anything and you are some short of chaotic survivor/insta serial killer
You win when everyone else has lost all their vote power or something

 

[Ratchet]

I mean you could have a post restrictions and be someone else ?

Sure? I'm asking how this claiming restriction is remotely useful when it comes to the hypothetical that I'm faking it. The answer is it's not.

 

[Karma]

Yea its prolly a Karma (belief) and not Karma (player) role

 

[Ratchet]

I don't hate the Karma=misteirous force theory
You are unable to do anything and you are some short of chaotic survivor/insta serial killer
You win when everyone else has lost all their vote power or something

LMAO this is ridiculous.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

No, it's horseshit you've pulled from nowhere in your scramble to save face.

save face from what
i could mechanically prove myself as town whenever i please and i may just well do so today
you're patently anti-town
you've not actually made a legitimate rebuttal against a single one of my points and have not whatsoever given any indication you care about game-solving
you're clearly sweating in the other thread and you are doing a piss poor job of keeping up the "guys im totes mcscotes unlynchable!" act up

 

[Badalight]

inb4 ratchet is jester because he's doing a damn good job of being suspicious

 

[Ratchet]

save face from what
i could mechanically prove myself as town whenever i please and i may just well do so today
you're patently anti-town
you've not actually made a legitimate rebuttal against a single one of my points and have not whatsoever given any indication you care about game-solving
you're clearly sweating in the other thread and you are doing a piss poor job of keeping up the "guys im totes mcscotes unlynchable!" act up

You saying I haven't made a legitimate rebuttal does not make it any more true. You telling me I'm sweating or whatever also isn't becoming more truthful the more you repeat it.

 

[Cooler]

Yeah I don't believe Ratchet's claim for a second lol.

 

[Ratchet]

inb4 ratchet is jester because he's doing a damn good job of being suspicious

How? Or is this another "we'll just say this is suspicious without demonstrating why that is" that has been so frequent this game?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

You saying I haven't made a legitimate rebuttal does not make it any more true. You telling me I'm sweating or whatever also isn't becoming more truthful the more you repeat it.

cool
whatever
ur getting lynched in the other thread
one way or another
lets see if ur claim holds up

 

[Badalight]

Ratchet right now VVV

 

[Ratchet]

Yeah I don't believe Ratchet's claim for a second lol.

I mean that's up to you. When I survive the next lynch, will your opinion change?

 

[Worm Juice]

Ugh read it all
Most suspicious is still scumdesu

they laid out the field in such a way that everyone had to role reveal in public


Isn’t that suspicious?

 

[Ratchet]

cool
whatever
ur getting lynched in the other thread
one way or another
lets see if ur claim holds up

Sure. As long as you're the second lynch that's fine by me.

 

[Worm Juice]

Getting scumvibes of santi and scumdesu. Don’t know why maybe I am being duped but ratchet does not give me scumvibes.

 

[Natalija]

Ugh read it all
Most suspicious is still scumdesu

they laid out the field in such a way that everyone had to role reveal in public


Isn’t that suspicious?

How did he do that?

 

[Iwandesu]

LMAO this is ridiculous.

Can you think of a better player for misterious force ?
Can you think of a reason for Karma being restricted and unlynchable ?

 

[Worm Juice]

@Worm Juice relax fam

Ain’t got no time to chill

 

[Ratchet]

Can you think of a better player for misterious force ?
Can you think of a reason for Karma being restricted and unlynchable ?

I told you I don't know Karma. Why are you asking me that? "Mysterious Force" is vague enough to be a number of people and Karma isn't even really a force itself to begin with anyway.

 

[Worm Juice]

How did he do that?

By writing out all the staff roles and guessing who is who.
Then accusing people of being scum when there were inconsistencies. Don’t the more experienced mafia players do that without writing it out. They just make a note of it and don’t talk about. So the role reveals are not handed out to scum.

 

[Badalight]

I told you I don't know Karma. Why are you asking me that? "Mysterious Force" is vague enough to be a number of people and Karma isn't even really a force itself to begin with anyway.

We gain vote power, and then we lose vote power.

Certainly sounds "karmic" don't it?

 

[Natalija]

By writing out all the staff roles and guessing who is who.
Then accusing people of being scum when there were inconsistencies. Don’t the more experienced mafia players do that without writing it out. They just make a note of it and don’t talk about. So the role reveals are not handed out to scum.

I'm not sure if roles matter here, it's more about the alignment.

Even if I claimed my role for example, it means jack shit. Although I'm assuming people can guess it already. Not sure this per se makes iwan scum, but hey I'm not against killing him

 

[Cooler]

I mean that's up to you. When I survive the next lynch, will your opinion change?

I mean, I can believe you're lynch immune that just means you're scum that needs to be vigged.

 

[Ratchet]

We gain vote power, and then we lose vote power.

Certainly sounds "karmic" don't it?

No? You are aware what karma is, yes?

 

[Badalight]

I'm not sure if roles matter here, it's more about the alignment.

Even if I claimed my role for example, it means jack shit. Although I'm assuming people can guess it already. Not sure this per se makes iwan scum, but hey I'm not against killing him

I do have a question

If you thought everyone in the survivor island was scum, wouldn't that be terrible for you? They could easily gang up and vote for you. Doesn't sound like the greatest plan tbh.

 

[Ratchet]

I mean, I can believe you're lynch immune that just means you're scum that needs to be vigged.

LMAO
Scum that's completely lynch immune now.

Okay.

 

[Cooler]

LMAO
Scum that's completely lynch immune now.

Okay.

Guess you could be an indie with some whacky win/con.

Is unlynchable town less OP than unlynchable scum?

 

[Badalight]

LMAO
Scum that's completely lynch immune now.

Okay.

LITERALLY ME IN FAVORITES 3

 

[Ratchet]

Guess you could be an indie with some whacky win/con.

Is unlynchable town less OP than unlynchable scum?

Yes? Way less OP actually.

 

[Natalija]

I do have a question

If you thought everyone in the survivor island was scum, wouldn't that be terrible for you? They could easily gang up and vote for you. Doesn't sound like the greatest plan tbh.

Lol they're not going to vote for basically confirmed town. That would put them all at risk, and they're good players.
And if I die for town, at least my death would show something about them

 

[Ratchet]

LITERALLY ME IN FAVORITES 3

So because it happened before it will now happen in Shizune's game? What sort of logic is that?

 

[Badalight]

Lol they're not going to vote for basically confirmed town. That would put them all at risk, and they're good players.
And if I die for town, at least my death would show something about them

I mean it seems to be working out fine, but if I were you I would've chosen 3 confirmed town to vote alongside myself.

 

[Shizune]

Broadcast message:

@ Wad suddenly you're coming up with the "I'm culted" BS because I'm calling you out? Why haven't you thought about that before I did that?

 

[Badalight]

So because it happened before it will now happen in Shizune's game? What sort of logic is that?

Because the roles in this game are the players. I am known in this forum specifically because of my performance in that game because I wouldn't die. My role has not shown up in this game yet. I guarantee my role is hard to kill perhaps - dare I say - unlynchable?!

 

[Natalija]

I mean it seems to be working out fine, but if I were you I would've chosen 3 confirmed town to vote alongside myself.

I also chose DDL as confirmed town and Sin as my scum suspect. But they died lol.

 

[Badalight]

I also chose DDL as confirmed town and Sin as my scum suspect. But they died lol.

Oh right, I'd forgotten about the dead players.

 

[Ratchet]

Because the roles in this game are the players. I am known in this forum specifically because of my performance in that game because I wouldn't die. My role has not shown up in this game yet. I guarantee my role is hard to kill perhaps - dare I say - unlynchable?!

That still doesn't justify why scum would be unlynchable.

 

[Ratchet]

Broadcast message:

@Flower because WAD is scum.

 

[Natalija]

So it's a much smaller party

But a lynch is a lynch

 

[Natalija]

@Flower because WAD is scum.

We're killing him today.

 

[Badalight]

That still doesn't justify why scum would be unlynchable.

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

I was an unlynchable scum in that game.

I guarantee my role in this game is based off of that game.

Ergo, highly likely it'd be scum again.

 

[Ratchet]

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

I was an unlynchable scum in that game.

I guarantee my role in this game is based off of that game.

Ergo, highly likely it'd be scum again.

"I was unlynchable scum in one game, so my role will be in this one"

Not how it works, sorry.

 

[Badalight]

"I was unlynchable scum in one game, so my role will be in this one"

Not how it works, sorry.

It is how it works if that's the role you're most known for. Nitty had to decide what my role did. That's the first think everyone thinks about when they think of me. We even had this discussion on d1. Everyone was in agreement.

 

[Ratchet]

It is how it works if that's the role you're most known for. Nitty had to decide what my role did. That's the first think everyone thinks about when they think of me. We even had this discussion on d1. Everyone was in agreement.

Shizune was also aware that my best role is Doctor, and my favourite is JoAT. My role was neither.