Game World of Warcraft: The Eastern Kingdoms (town+indie victory!)

[Dr. White]

You could always invite White, truth serum him, and lynch someone else once you've confirmed.

It might be a waste of an opportunity, but at least we won't risk wasting a lynch.

Fine with this. Does this mean I'll get to post in le night?

 

[Wild]

Coo! (Acting like being able to invite people to the night phase means you're town)

What have you even done this phase

Are you vouched for yet

 

[Hidden]

I mean

I have more going for me than you do really

Coooooo! (Guess LG was forsaken too then )

 

[Wild]

Coooooo! (Guess LG was forsaken too then )

He was an indie, not mafia. There’s only like 3 of us active at night anyways.

 

[Wild]

[Change Vote Platinum]

 

[Hidden]

He was an indie, not mafia. There’s only like 3 of us active at night anyways.

COO! (You're using the argument that being able to post at night meant you were Forsaken. LG being an indie or mafia doesn't mean anything. Either way he was anti-town.)

 

[Wild]

COO! (You're using the argument that being able to post at night meant you were Forsaken. LG being an indie or mafia doesn't mean anything. Either way he was anti-town.)

Do you have anything besides non-arguments. Me being able to post at night only speaks in my favor, regardless of LG’s alignment. What have I actually done that makes me actively scummy in your eyes?

 

[Shark Skin]

my heart tells me you had a truth meta iirc which is why I poked you

I know that's why. I just don't want to rely on that truth meta as much as I had in the past just because I let it get to the point where my gameplay was absolute shit. I also ended up breaking that meta the last game I played last year.

That being said I'll still respond to your question. I'm town. I haven't really hinted to this point, but there is at least one thing in thread that should point towards that.

 

[Kira Yagami]

COOO?? (If people aren't giving an explanation then call them out. Don't just roll over and die)

I think it was Oreki and kvothe and juan maybe? Who jumped on me after UB said i scanned guilty,which she later admitted that she was lying but that didnt stop them from keeping it on me with no explanation

 

[Tiger]

I mean

I have more going for me than you do really

Coooooo! (Guess LG was forsaken too then )

He was an indie, not mafia. There’s only like 3 of us active at night anyways.

COO! (You're using the argument that being able to post at night meant you were Forsaken. LG being an indie or mafia doesn't mean anything. Either way he was anti-town.)

Yeah...you really don't.

But like I said-- a bridge for a different chasm. Posting at night doesn't make you Forsaken. And we all believe mafia has at least one person that can as well.

 

[sworder]

This is a brilliant idea

@sworder truth serum on white m8

Done

 

[Tiger]

I think it was Oreki and kvothe and juan maybe? Who jumped on me after UB said i scanned guilty,which she later admitted that she was lying but that didnt stop them from keeping it on me with no explanation

From our perspective, that looks like 1 or possibly 2 scum trying to take out a rival. Their alignment won't be cleared if you flip mafia for that reason-- but neither do their suspicious voting pattern make you look better.

 

[Nevan]

[Vote lynch Platinum]

If what you're saying is true White, why is your vote on me over Platinum?

 

[Underworld Broker]

Ayyy where have you been Nevan

 

[Nevan]

Alao Cooler had both a lynch stop and a fake claim, so that argument is bullshit.

 

[Wild]

Done

 

[Nevan]

I also know for a fact that you have played against scum Platinum, so the can't read him excuse doesn't fly.

 

[Wild]

@Okosan are you confirmed yet

 

[Hidden]

Do you have anything besides non-arguments. Me being able to post at night only speaks in my favor, regardless of LG’s alignment. What have I actually done that makes me actively scummy in your eyes?

Coo? (So you think there are no more anti-town players at all with the ability to post at night right now?)

Coooooo! (Two main things for reasons he thinks you're scummy right now. One he already mentioned with Shade doing that weird, "Oops I voted" thing which would very much fit in with a scum trying to hide and influence the lynch still. They could've come back any later night and done something similar or started posting for real. Second, you trying to somehow clear yourself right now. You seem real defensive of Okosan and others bringing it up, and when at least Okosan started saying you were scummy your response has been to just criticize Okosan's arguments.)

 

[Hidden]

and when at least Okosan started saying you were scummy your response has been to just criticize Okosan's arguments.)

@Okosan are you confirmed yet

Cooo! (Lol and to keep asking if Okosan is confirmed yet )

 

[Dr. White]

[Vote lynch Platinum]

If what you're saying is true White, why is your vote on me over Platinum?

Alao Cooler had both a lynch stop and a fake claim, so that argument is bullshit.

I also know for a fact that you have played against scum Platinum, so the can't read him excuse doesn't fly.

Lmao look who has come alive now that the mislynch is off kilter.

> Because I read you as scum and my vote is from like hours ago.

> Ok? Cooler was scum and had a lynch stop, why would that preclude town from having one as well? Or are you suggesting every scum faction has a lynch stop and town can't? Not really sure what this argument is.

> When did I say I can't read Platinum?

 

[A Optimistic]

@novaselinenever

An updated vote count please. Gotta see the numbers before I vote.

 

[A Optimistic]

Will rep you for 27 k.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@novaselinenever

An updated vote count please. Gotta see the numbers before I vote.

...why?

 

[Underworld Broker]

Could a Platinum lynch clear up some things about Oreki? Cause as it seems both tanked a kill, idk if it's due to the BP or because they're scum

 

[A Optimistic]

...why?

You never wanted to be a tie breaker before?

 

[Wild]

Coo? (So you think there are no more anti-town players at all with the ability to post at night right now?)

Leeroy is apparently confirmed and sworder is pretty clear imo so that leaves me and kvothe. I’m literally making pro-town plays with the invites in front of the whole thread so I don’t see how you’d choose me.

Coooooo! (Two main things for reasons he thinks you're scummy right now. One he already mentioned with Shade doing that weird, "Oops I voted" thing which would very much fit in with a scum trying to hide and influence the lynch still. They could've come back any later night and done something similar or started posting for real. Second, you trying to somehow clear yourself right now. You seem real defensive of Okosan and others bringing it up, and when at least Okosan started saying you were scummy your response has been to just criticize Okosan's arguments.)

>trying to clear yourself

Yeah cuz tiger called me mafia and is trying to sic the vigs on me? What kind of response were you expecting to something like that?

>defensive

I’m not being defensive, I’m merely defending myself as any good townie should.

>criticizing your arguments

Well yes. The alternative would be to ignore it until everyone just bandwagons me.

 

[Underworld Broker]

there is vote fuckery going on and you're talking about tie breaking?

 

[A Optimistic]

@Shizune

Done.

 

[Wild]

Cooo! (Lol and to keep asking if Okosan is confirmed yet )

Yes because something tells me you’re not town and apparently you all confirmed like half the thread before I even joined.

 

[Expo]

Wait, what all reads to we have on Oreki? A Optimistic said UB is town, and UB got a fan mail saying Oreki is scum. Didn't someone say Oreki is innocent though? I'm trying to remember who said that and when

 

[A Optimistic]

Leeroy is apparently confirmed and sworder is pretty clear imo so that leaves me and kvothe. I’m literally making pro-town plays with the invites in front of the whole thread so I don’t see how you’d choose me.



>trying to clear yourself

Yeah cuz tiger called me mafia and is trying to sic the vigs on me? What kind of response were you expecting to something like that?

>defensive

I’m not being defensive, I’m merely defending myself as any good townie should.

>criticizing your arguments

Well yes. The alternative would be to ignore it until everyone just bandwagons me.

I missed seeing this aggressive side of you.

When are you gonna start flaming people?

 

[Underworld Broker]

Wait, what all reads to we have on Oreki? A Optimistic said UB is town, and UB got a fan mail saying Oreki is scum. Didn't someone say Oreki is innocent though? I'm trying to remember who said that and when

Cooler said Oreki is town

 

[Wild]

I missed seeing this aggressive side of you.

When are you gonna start flaming people?

Idk man I don’t wanna ruin anyone’s safe space

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Wait, what all reads to we have on Oreki? A Optimistic said UB is town, and UB got a fan mail saying Oreki is scum. Didn't someone say Oreki is innocent though? I'm trying to remember who said that and when

he got lie detector'd on by ava and was telling the truth.

@Wild why did you choose Melodie actually over the others to the night convos.

[Vote Lynch Platinum]

 

[A Optimistic]

Wait, what all reads to we have on Oreki? A Optimistic said UB is town, and UB got a fan mail saying Oreki is scum. Didn't someone say Oreki is innocent though? I'm trying to remember who said that and when

I said UB, Leeroy and Oreki are telling the truth.

I would never lie to you, I promise.

 

[Nevan]

Lmao look who has come alive now that the mislynch is off kilter.

What mislynch?

I wasn't in any danger of being lynched.

> Because I read you as scum and my vote is from like hours ago.

Your vote is after all of Platinum's posts and the information from the other players.

What changed from the to now?

In fact, your vote is still on me.

> Ok? Cooler was scum and had a lynch stop, why would that preclude town from having one as well? Or are you suggesting every scum faction has a lynch stop and town can't? Not really sure what this argument is.

Because your argument was that you've never seen mafia with a lynch stop, you backpedaling fuck.

> When did I say I can't read Platinum?

Earlier in the day you said pressuring Platinum didn't work.

 

[Wild]

@Wild why did you choose Melodie actually over the others to the night convos

Good question.

Melodie is a good player and I agree with her generally so I just looked at the player list and her name pinged me. Won’t say it wasn’t random cuz it pretty much was lol

 

[Expo]

So either the mailer was lying about Oreki

Or ava was.

Or..

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Oh yeah forgot about Cooler too. Given that he was the only one in his faction, seems likely he might have been telling the truth for town cred? He had the ability to say so I think

 

[Expo]

Oreki is Katrana Prestor. Disguised in the Kingdom of Azeroth role, but scum as hell

 

[Underworld Broker]

So either the mailer was lying about Oreki

Or ava was.

Or..

What exactly was the message saying that you got?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Oreki is Katrana Prestor. Disguised in the Kingdom of Azeroth role, but scum as hell

Hmm good theory. He claimed to be a dwarf though which is odd. Why not Azeroth when pressured?

 

[Wild]

Oreki is Katrana Prestor. Disguised in the Kingdom of Azeroth role, but scum as hell

This is good. We can lynch oreki tonight while putting dr. White’s claim to rest once and for all.

 

[Expo]

It said that they were the day cop you messaged you, UB. It said they messaged you because they read Oreki as scum and wanted to tell you so you could help them get the word out. They then said their next read was on Sworder who showed up as town, and that you didn't visit anyone last night

 

[Underworld Broker]

Oreki is Katrana Prestor. Disguised in the Kingdom of Azeroth role, but scum as hell

Are you guessing or is that a fact?

 

[Dr. White]

What mislynch?

I wasn't in any danger of being lynched.

I was obviously refering to myself. Now one of your mates is gonna take the L.

Your vote is after all of Platinum's posts and the information from the other players.

What changed from the to now?

In fact, your vote is still on me.

You and platinum are in my pool of scum. I haven't even decided where I'm placing my final vote on. I voted you while I was in the lead. Not sure why you are acting like I've dipped the thread and can't change my vote. Or why you are questioning why I'd vote you when I've been calling you scum the past several dayphases.

Because your argument was that you've never seen mafia with a lynch stop, you backpedaling fuck.

I didn't, I was taking you at your word that it's in his role and was confused why you brought it up. I'm not backpedaling lmao do you even know what this is?

Also someone is mad mad

Earlier in the day you said pressuring Platinum didn't work.

Yes because at that point people literally let him come in an drop 2 posts before bouncing and no one wanted to pursue him further.

How about you actually read first?

 

[Expo]

Are you guessing or is that a fact?

Pure guess.

Like I said, either ava was lying, the mailer was lying, or Oreki is the traitor

 

[Expo]

Having a dual role like that, similar to Cooler, would be why he yielded 2 different results

 

[Hidden]

Leeroy is apparently confirmed and sworder is pretty clear imo so that leaves me and kvothe. I’m literally making pro-town plays with the invites in front of the whole thread so I don’t see how you’d choose me.

COO COO! (So do you or do you not think scum only had one person in the group?)

>defensive

I’m not being defensive, I’m merely defending myself as any good townie should.

>criticizing your arguments

Well yes. The alternative would be to ignore it until everyone just bandwagons me.

Coooo! (You're not defending yourself though, you're attacking Okosan's arguments and quoting probable incorrect info. So far you've said that you can't be scum because you can post at night, thrown doubt on Okosan being town, and described what he's been saying as "non arguments" in response to him sussing you)

 

[Expo]

Tiger claimed miller, odd did too (I missed it I think, but Tiger says they claimed as well). Oreki would've had plenty of opportunity to do the same. Instead he's been dodgy at best. It's all conjecture rn but it's at least a possible theory.

 

[Nevan]

Well Plat pressure went no where.

I think the best lynch for the day is
[vote lynch Nevan]

This is the post I was talking about.

 

[Expo]

Also who even said Katrana is in the game?

@is a was that you?

 

[Underworld Broker]

The one who's sending us messages is quite interesting, i must say

 

[A Optimistic]

Oreki is town.

@Expo

How does this tie into your theory? Or are you saying his disguised role tricked me and Cooler?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

something that has been bothering me

why would the mailer mail UB

they had plenty of confirmed town slash highly likely possible town to message

and they picked...her?

puzzling

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Also who even said Katrana is in the game?

@is a was that you?

it is my interpretation from an ability result that she is, yes

 

[Wild]

COO COO! (So do you or do you not think scum only had one person in the group?)

If you really want me to take a stance, then I don’t think there are any other night posters who are anti-town.

Coooo! (You're not defending yourself though, you're attacking Okosan's arguments and quoting probable incorrect info. So far you've said that you can't be scum because you can post at night,

Until you show me a mafia member who was able to post at night, I will stand by that statement. Lg was indie. So if you’re going by precedence, sure you can call me indie all u like

thrown doubt on Okosan being town,

Cuz I genuinely believe you’re mafia.

and described what he's been saying as "non arguments" in response to him sussing you)

Because they are. You find me sus cuz I’m trying to clear myself? Sorry I’m not tryna get sniped by the vig based on tiger’s weak accusations.

Now

Are you confirmed?

 

[Underworld Broker]

something that has been bothering me

why would the mailer mail UB

they had plenty of confirmed town slash highly likely possible town to message

and they picked...her?

puzzling

I was wondering about the same, which is why i was wondering if it was just fan mail from scum

 

[A Optimistic]

@is a

How high is solving Oreki's alignment on the priority list at the moment? Because I have a one shot that can put an end to this Oreki debate once and for all, but not sure if I should use it on Oreki or use it on someone else.

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

@is a

How high is solving Oreki's alignment on the priority list at the moment? Because I have a one shot that can put an end to this Oreki debate once and for all, but not sure if I should use it on Oreki or use it on someone else.

medium

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

but also i frankly don’t trust u to do so

why not any of the other main suspects? why Oreki?

ur connection to him is too close

 

[Expo]

@Expo

How does this tie into your theory? Or are you saying his disguised role tricked me and Cooler?

Possibly, yeah

something that has been bothering me

why would the mailer mail UB

they had plenty of confirmed town slash highly likely possible town to message

and they picked...her?

puzzling

That's what I was wondering when I got it too. We had WPK and Ratchet already as close to confirmed as can be. Even if they're decently confident I'm town, I'm probably the worst player to hand something to and help it plays out in favor of everyone in the safest way possible lol. And UB on night 1 when we had two definitely confirmed town by then is weird. Which is why I want to take it with a grain of salt.

And if it's false..

then @sworder is looking sus because the letter tries to go out of its way to make a note that he's town.

 

[A Optimistic]

but also i frankly don’t trust u to do so

why not any of the other main suspects? why Oreki?

ur connection to him is too close

I'm willing to use it on anyone, that's why I asked.

Give me whoever is a high priority person then.

 

[Expo]

Whatever you do, use it before you get schwacked in the middle of the night lol

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Possibly, yeah



That's what I was wondering when I got it too. We had WPK and Ratchet already as close to confirmed as can be. Even if they're decently confident I'm town, I'm probably the worst player to hand something to and help it plays out in favor of everyone in the safest way possible lol. And UB on night 1 when we had two definitely confirmed town by then is weird. Which is why I want to take it with a grain of salt.

And if it's false..

then @sworder is looking sus because the letter tries to go out of its way to make a note that he's town.

none of the night posters have remarked on my comment about balnazzar which is troubling

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

well there was LG...and DDL?
maybe even leeroy if he’s in fact indie

only other possibility is the the SC equivalent of DDL - balnazzar, who may very well in fact be among the remaining night lot

reminder

 

[A Optimistic]

Whatever you do, use it before you get schwacked in the middle of the night lol

Anyone in particular you want me to use it on?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Possibly, yeah



That's what I was wondering when I got it too. We had WPK and Ratchet already as close to confirmed as can be. Even if they're decently confident I'm town, I'm probably the worst player to hand something to and help it plays out in favor of everyone in the safest way possible lol. And UB on night 1 when we had two definitely confirmed town by then is weird. Which is why I want to take it with a grain of salt.

And if it's false..

then @sworder is looking sus because the letter tries to go out of its way to make a note that he's town.

Just a guess but maybe the ability sends to a random townie?

@is a Balnazzar?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Nevan or nova are good choices

 

[Expo]

I know for a fact that there's another player who can speak at night and has, as yet, not done so.

Question is, as I posed to Wad, is that alignment-indicative?

Can you elaborate?

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

Just a guess but maybe the ability sends to a random townie?

@is a Balnazzar?

read DDL’s role

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

read DDL’s role

Hmm didn't Tiger mention that he knows there's someone who can night post but chooses not to?

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

Oh Expo beat me to it

 

[Expo]

Just a guess but maybe the ability sends to a random townie?

@is a Balnazzar?

Some sort of chaotic secret political intrigue thing would be very much in the flavor of Katrana Prestor, and to a slightly lesser (but totally plausible) extent Balnazzar. I wouldn't be awfully surprised.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

none of the night posters have remarked on my comment about balnazzar which is troubling

Don't even know anything about him. I don't really have a way of confirming anything ability wise and we all know deduction isn't something I'm strong at yet. With that said, I don't know what to tell you about certain roles appearing since I know nothing about WoW.

 

[Kira Yagami]

From our perspective, that looks like 1 or possibly 2 scum trying to take out a rival. Their alignment won't be cleared if you flip mafia for that reason-- but neither do their suspicious voting pattern make you look better.

ok

 

[FLORIDA MAN]

[Passive - The Brothers Dread] - Varimathras and his brother Balnazzar are secretly playing the Forsaken and the Scarlet Crusade against one another to weaken both sides. Varimathras can win with the Scarlet Crusade.

for all eyes

its not being forsaken that allows you to nightpost

its being undead/demons

varimathras was one such demon, darkmaster gandling(LG) was undead

balnazzar, being varimathras's brother, is also a dreadlord/demon so i should see zero reason why they arent able to night post as well, no?

 

[A Optimistic]

@Nevan @novaselinenever

Any reads?

 

[Expo]

[Passive - The Brothers Dread] - Varimathras and his brother Balnazzar are secretly playing the Forsaken and the Scarlet Crusade against one another to weaken both sides. Varimathras can win with the Scarlet Crusade.

for all eyes

its not being forsaken that allows you to nightpost

its being undead/demons

varimathras was one such demon, darkmaster gandling(LG) was undead

balnazzar, being varimathras's brother, is also a dreadlord/demon so i should see zero reason why they arent able to night post as well, no?

I expected as much anyways, just from the flavor of them two trying to work together to undermine both factions.