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Juan said:
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Can I just say that Trinity being the only one to try and console Laganja in this moment was so sweet, and it was especially telling because the several times Trinity herself needed consoling/understanding, nobody else offered it to her

Trinity was one of the best contestants on this season idc, if she had lasted one more episode she would almost certainly have placed high in both the makeover challenge and the ball, and then gone on to the finale

A Trinity-Bianca-Courtney finale is THE fantasy

She was just unlucky that Drag Race tends to frontload the acting and comedy challenges and backload the fashion challenges

Also to this DAY Trinity is one of the best makeup artists EVER to be on that show
 
Ratchet said:
You have read the OP, yes? "Getting votes fast" is a neccessity" because we need to consolidate on a large wagon to avoid being reduced to a small pool of players. Moreover, players joining onto wagons late are typically more likely to be town than scum here, because scum would have the excuse of "well I didn't see the votes changing so quickly" to explain why they were not on the lynched wagon, and thus leaving themselves immune to the lynch today. We don't actually have a choice *but* to look into the wagon today, but I'm curious as to why you believe the speed of it matters here. As for the bolded, that seems like a pretty arbitrary claim to make to me. I would assume they're not all town, but only the Gods know for sure.
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I disagree with this thinking, and I still don't fully understand the thinking behind the Platinum lynch.

What's especially hard to understand is that it was you who said that we should consolidate on Worm Juice. After that, a small wagon formed on Melkior, which caused you to ask "what is going on right now" which I took to mean that you were upset that random wagons were starting out of nowhere that prevented consolidation of the lynch on Worm Juice... only for you yourself to start a bandwagon on Platinum instead of Worm Juice.

I don't understand your thinking in this instance. I also don't understand the idea that mafia can't change votes last minute, especially when they're likely to be far more organized and aware of potential wagons than regular townies.

At any rate, I'm still not sold on Didi, but I'm fine with a Xadlin lynch.

[Vote Lynch Xadlin]
[Vote Execute Santi]
 
Shizune said:
Can I just say that Trinity being the only one to try and console Laganja in this moment was so sweet, and it was especially telling because the several times Trinity herself needed consoling/understanding, nobody else offered it to her

Trinity was one of the best contestants on this season idc, if she had lasted one more episode she would almost certainly have placed high in both the makeover challenge and the ball, and then gone on to the finale

A Trinity-Bianca-Courtney finale is THE fantasy

She was just unlucky that Drag Race tends to frontload the acting and comedy challenges and backload the fashion challenges

Also to this DAY Trinity is one of the best makeup artists EVER to be on that show
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so true sis SPILL THE TEA
 
Yes, I don't mean to imply those voting should be lock town here or anything. But if Scum they'd have to have saw that wagon and thought "I can look townie here" and also reconciled that with potentially loking suspicious for pushing over a mislynch. At some point WormJuice will likely need to be flipped and soon for the wagonomics. If WormJuice happens to be scum we can start to look over the late joiners with a more critical eye because then they would have had the incentive to avoid losing a buddy. All conjecture at this stage though.
 
Baroxio said:
I disagree with this thinking, and I still don't fully understand the thinking behind the Platinum lynch.

What's especially hard to understand is that it was you who said that we should consolidate on Worm Juice. After that, a small wagon formed on Melkior, which caused you to ask "what is going on right now" which I took to mean that you were upset that random wagons were starting out of nowhere that prevented consolidation of the lynch on Worm Juice... only for you yourself to start a bandwagon on Platinum instead of Worm Juice.

I don't understand your thinking in this instance. I also don't understand the idea that mafia can't change votes last minute, especially when they're likely to be far more organized and aware of potential wagons than regular townies.

At any rate, I'm still not sold on Didi, but I'm fine with a Xadlin lynch.

[Vote Lynch Xadlin]
[Vote Execute Santi]
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I hardly started a bandwagon on Platinum. He had between 4 or 5 votes when I switched, and I asked Didi to switch too. The wagon was, for all intents and purposes, established, and I switched because I saw it was viable and had reason to suspect him from earlier. I was wrong, of course, and I own that, but you know my motivations were pure at least, so I'm not really sure why you feel the need to question it now.

As for my point there, well I didn't use absolutionist terms like "can't" or "won't". They certainly could do. But given the lynch mechanics, they have incentive to not do so, and this is of particular benefit in the event of a mislynch because they can direct all discussion towards the voters of a mislynch while they leverage their position of having not been a part of it. Is there any part of this thought process that you'd like me to explain differently?
 
Ratchet said:
I'm not entirely clear on why you felt the need to share this. Probably not something Scum says, but curious nonetheless.
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To play devil's advocate here, me saying I had a night action with a player who just got killed in the night phase doesn't exactly absolve me of not being scum. Its a very blanket callout that can backfire as much as it can help. That said, I am a gambler. I like to take risks, I think the only person in this game whose played with me a serious amount of times in prior mafia games is Didi here.

Anyway like I mentioned, I am slightly boned because with Lalisa dead, my ability was wasted.
 
Fang said:
To play devil's advocate here, me saying I had a night action with a player who just got killed in the night phase doesn't exactly absolve me of not being scum. Its a very blanket callout that can backfire as much as it can help. That said, I am a gambler. I like to take risks, I think the only person in this game whose played with me a serious amount of times in prior mafia games is Didi here.

Anyway like I mentioned, I am slightly boned because with Lalisa dead, my ability was wasted.
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Well it doesn't, but it's not something I see scum immediately saying especially given there is a high likelyhod of Lalisa being the scum kill.
 
Hero said:
So you jump on one bandwagon…

To end up being on another?¿ :lmao

Moreover your reasoning for jumping on a bandwagon is ludicrous. You can do all of that without partaking in it.

Also what even is this? You’re feigning contribution here. You made this long post to essentially say you’re dead weight/have nothing to offer.
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I have nothing to offer except for protection. I can rolecrush or protect/shield a set amount of people i choose to.
Im not good at reading people, so thats that.

adn yeah, I think D1 bandwagons are just to splash the water, in order to find out more from others. D2 lynches are more important.
im trying to be more active and post more, yet im not always sure on whom are whom.

I usually go with my role and let people more better at scum hunting to their job. Im a righthand man. unless I have to step up to do a task, i rather wait for those more experenced in doing those task to do those.

Im not scum, and if you lynch me you will see that to, and then town will be towning even more.


I know im on the lynch list, but i ask that yo give me a chance, and choose one of the other ones
 
Ratchet said:
I hardly started a bandwagon on Platinum. He had between 4 or 5 votes when I switched, and I asked Didi to switch too. The wagon was, for all intents and purposes, established, and I switched because I saw it was viable and had reason to suspect him from earlier. I was wrong, of course, and I own that, but you know my motivations were pure at least, so I'm not really sure why you feel the need to question it now.

As for my point there, well I didn't use absolutionist terms like "can't" or "won't". They certainly could do. But given the lynch mechanics, they have incentive to not do so, and this is of particular benefit in the event of a mislynch because they can direct all discussion towards the voters of a mislynch while they leverage their position of having not been a part of it. Is there any part of this thought process that you'd like me to explain differently?
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Honestly I wanted to question this yesterday but failed to do so adequately. You mentioned that one of his earlier posts seemed scummy and his initial post wagoning Didi did seem somewhat sus, so I let it go.

I was going to ask you about it in the next Day Phase because it seemed strange, only for you to die overnight. But apparently, you could still talk, so I figured, why not ask anyway?

I admit that I hadn't given the lynch mechanics a very thorough read-through initially, but given their mechanics, would you agree then that it's in mafia's best interest to start a bandwagon, but then never join it? Or alternatively, start a bandwagon, then exit the bandwagon when the opportunity presents itself?
 
Xadlin said:
I have nothing to offer except for protection. I can rolecrush or protect/shield a set amount of people i choose to.
Im not good at reading people, so thats that.

adn yeah, I think D1 bandwagons are just to splash the water, in order to find out more from others. D2 lynches are more important.
im trying to be more active and post more, yet im not always sure on whom are whom.

I usually go with my role and let people more better at scum hunting to their job. Im a righthand man. unless I have to step up to do a task, i rather wait for those more experenced in doing those task to do those.

Im not scum, and if you lynch me you will see that to, and then town will be towning even more.


I know im on the lynch list, but i ask that yo give me a chance, and choose one of the other ones
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Okay, well since you're claiming protect/shield, might I ask that you declare who you shielded last night?
 
Xadlin said:
I have nothing to offer except for protection. I can rolecrush or protect/shield a set amount of people i choose to.
Im not good at reading people, so thats that.

adn yeah, I think D1 bandwagons are just to splash the water, in order to find out more from others. D2 lynches are more important.
im trying to be more active and post more, yet im not always sure on whom are whom.

I usually go with my role and let people more better at scum hunting to their job. Im a righthand man. unless I have to step up to do a task, i rather wait for those more experenced in doing those task to do those.

Im not scum, and if you lynch me you will see that to, and then town will be towning even more.


I know im on the lynch list, but i ask that yo give me a chance, and choose one of the other ones
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>immediate claim

:krilldead
 
Ratchet said:
Okay, first, Game 1 things.

@Underworld Broker Quite possible you are Town, yes. I have, admittedly, read very little of Game 1, and only noticed that your activity was on the low side which is typically something Town-you has a big issue with. I was also being rather hyperbolic, of course. Now, to get to brass tacks. I felt like you were poisoning the well somewhat in regards to addressing what I said - you explained that I was saying much while saying nothing, which I won't get into the fairness of here because you're entitled to your opinion, but you stated it was explicitly something I always do, which I took to mean regardless of alignment. It's rather strange then that you would attempt to dismiss my accusation on those grounds. I also feel like you hadn't really earned the indignant "one day you will read me right" given that you had relatively few posts from which to do so.

More pertinently, I'm concerned about the consistency of your actions, because you saw fit to address what I said, but had (as best as I've read from your ISO at least) no comment in regards to Ekko calling for your lynch on at least two seperate occasions. If the strength of my post was enough to warrant a response, I feel like Ekko's, whose was yet stronger than mine, also deserved one. If you address any part of this post, I'd like you to address why that may have been. We can of course pick this up when the games merge if you would rather, presuming that you're still alive.

@Lalisa Good game. I thought you played very well, and I'm sad to see you're killed this early. I hope to see you playing more games in the near future, especially if you can bring this. It is, probably, the best game I've seen from you to date.

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My current thought is to extract a claim from Xadlin, as he was the legacy of Platinum, whom I respect enough to lend an ear to. I'd suggest leaving Lind for now, and SoulKiller too for that matter. Several players seem to read Melkor Town so he can be took off too. That leaves Xadlin/Juan/Hero/Didi. This is where the focus needs to be today I think, assuming we don't have compelling evidence elsewhere.

Franky can probably be the execute. I no longer have a vote for either so my capacity to direct the currents of the lynch are diminished, but I'm happy to discuss with anyone regarding the above. If there is a player you'd like me to ISO or a few pots you'd like me to read, please tag me and I will get to it when I can. I should note that I fully expect the Mafia to have some sort of counterplay to my treestump ability, and so from this Day forth, I intend to treat this as the last Day Phase I have to post in the game. My goal is less to land cases on players, and more set the town up as best I can before I'm inevitably removed for good.
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Nice that you are still in! Myself I town read Hero and would lynch either Didi or Xadlin from the lynch list. What is your current read on Didi? He seemed very non-commital to me in his early posts.
 
Baroxio said:
I admit that I hadn't given the lynch mechanics a very thorough read-through initially, but given their mechanics, would you agree then that it's in mafia's best interest to start a bandwagon, but then never join it? Or alternatively, start a bandwagon, then exit the bandwagon when the opportunity presents itself?
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I mean, there are all sorts of ways one can approach it. I think there is a specific advantage to Mafia not joining a late wagon shift, especially one on a townie, just because you can't really argue that they're scummy for not mislynching, and they're also not lynchable for a whole day anyway. So the players that did join it get some bonus points from me. Confident scum will do whatever because well, they're confident, and Didi for example doesn't get a pass because he was also a wagon (Worm Juice looks particularly bad as they appeared to be lurking at the end), but it's something I want to keep in mind.
 
Lord Melkor said:
Nice that you are still in! Myself I town read Hero and would lynch either Didi or Xadlin from the lynch list. What is your current read on Didi? He seemed very non-commital to me in his early posts.
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I didn't really see why Didi was a wagon in the first place, so I don't have any particular scum read there. I do agree there was a certain lack of commitment, but I'm mostly hoping the pressure of today forces him to solve more as there hasn't been much content in general to get a read from most players.

As an aside, good avy @Laix
 
Ratchet said:
I mean, there are all sorts of ways one can approach it. I think there is a specific advantage to Mafia not joining a late wagon shift, especially one on a townie, just because you can't really argue that they're scummy for not mislynching, and they're also not lynchable for a whole day anyway. So the players that did join it get some bonus points from me. Confident scum will do whatever because well, they're confident, and Didi for example doesn't get a pass because he was also a wagon (Worm Juice looks particularly bad as they appeared to be lurking at the end), but it's something I want to keep in mind.
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Honestly, my estimation of mafia's most useful lynch abuse mechanics isn't exactly that different from yours. Starting a bandwagon late game on someone isn't in mafia's best interest...assuming that the bandwagon actually succeds, that is. If the bandwagon doesn't succeed, then it's pretty harmless to them and they can continue to prevent consolidation of the lynch.

Hence, the people who voted for Lord Melkor randomly after you said to consolidate the lynch should probably be looked at.

And you're right that Didi doesn't get a free pass. If Xadlin responds to me in decent time, I might actually consider switching to Didi.
 
Natalija said:
Not really, having confirmed town creating activity is hella annoying for them. Cause you could have been dead, yet you're not
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I would still need to direct it well, though. Which is why I'm taking more of a backseat on the hard solving and more concerned with offering a townie perspective on things, at least until I can be confident that I'm reading the game well. Otherwise I risk doing more harm than good.
 
Natalija said:
That's how it should be anyways, but Group 1 is kicking our ass
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...eh. Group 1 lucked into a D1 Scum lynch, and Flowa played a pretty awful game from start to finish (and also suceeded in burning one of her town defences regarding competency, so good luck with that one going forward). Our issue is a lot of players seem very disengaged, making it hard to solve anything.
 
Ratchet said:
...eh. Group 1 lucked into a D1 Scum lynch, and Flowa played a pretty awful game from start to finish (and also suceeded in burning one of her town defences regarding competency, so good luck with that one going forward). Our issue is a lot of players seem very disengaged, making it hard to solve anything.
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True, Flowa basically outed herself.

But ya they discuss and fight more while we're just lounging :blobfacade
 
Xadlin said:
I have nothing to offer except for protection. I can rolecrush or protect/shield a set amount of people i choose to.
Im not good at reading people, so thats that.

adn yeah, I think D1 bandwagons are just to splash the water, in order to find out more from others. D2 lynches are more important.
im trying to be more active and post more, yet im not always sure on whom are whom.

I usually go with my role and let people more better at scum hunting to their job. Im a righthand man. unless I have to step up to do a task, i rather wait for those more experenced in doing those task to do those.

Im not scum, and if you lynch me you will see that to, and then town will be towning even more.


I know im on the lynch list, but i ask that yo give me a chance, and choose one of the other ones
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And whom of the other ones should we choose?

Also, you are mainly a protective role, correct?
 
Natalija said:
Reaction vote to Plat voting Didi. (?)


Annoyed by Plat (love history no doubt)


Following Hero.


Self explanatory.


? Convinced he's scum for pulling up Soul's post in particular.


Following Ratchet.


Just....... Following.


I guess one of yall will be our next lynch.
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It was Hero -> Xadlin -> Melkor -> Juan -> Ratchet -> Didi -> SK

I guess it was in Didi's interests to save themselves? Out of these Melkor's and Juan's looked the worst to me.

Not sure if scum Xadlin would vote someone cause they were on their ass? :ahmm
 
Xadlin said:
1. I have nothing to offer except for protection. I can rolecrush or protect/shield a set amount of people i choose to.
Im not good at reading people, so thats that.

2. adn yeah, I think D1 bandwagons are just to splash the water, in order to find out more from others. D2 lynches are more important.
im trying to be more active and post more, yet im not always sure on whom are whom.

3. I usually go with my role and let people more better at scum hunting to their job. Im a righthand man. unless I have to step up to do a task, i rather wait for those more experenced in doing those task to do those.

4. Im not scum, and if you lynch me you will see that to, and then town will be towning even more.

5. I know im on the lynch list, but i ask that yo give me a chance, and choose one of the other ones
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Boo. Tomatoes. I’m throwing tomatoes.

1. That’s actually incredibly useful but if you’re shit at scum hunting, then your ability probably does more harm than good

2. So you have this idea of information you’d gain from a bandwagon on D1. Enlighten me. What did you find? You can’t be that terrible at scum hunting. I don’t understand how you have this concept of a bandwagon but in the same breath you admit you’re essentially dead weight and rather let others scum hunt. But wasn’t the point of you participating in the wagon to gain info per this post and a previous? I’m telling you now, you better step up

3. See above

4. Lol ok.

5. Then put in work.
 
Natalija said:
It's a wagon Hero started when Plat voted Didi.

Actually I have no clue what pinged him so much about Plat? @Hero

Then Melkor followed him.
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I’m on my phone so it’ll be annoying to find, but it was how Platinum essentially was the 3rd or 2nd vote on the bandwagon & it was his first post in game.

At the time, I didn’t think it was a coincidence. Like, how do you happen to throw a “joke” vote on a wagon. I thought it was a sus vote feigning as a joke.

moreover as he posted more in the game, he was just making commentary on other players that were irrelevant or doing busy work like posting. It was nonsense
 
Juan said:
i'm on a bus omw to college right now so my contributions will be sporadic for a while btw

so expect to wait an hour or two if you want to talk to me

also don't lynch one of the best shitposters in the game on day 1 ffs :tiredpepe
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I am actually so suspicious of comments like this because its typically what I would do as scum to justify why I would be inactive ahead of time.
charles101 said:
I think the worst vote on Didi would be tinky. He kinda showed up, voted and dipped
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complete rubbish with all due respect but I also won't make excuses for not returning before the phase ended .

SinRaven said:
OK it does seem like Didi feels backed into a corner once the votes piled up hm

His posts to/about John Wayne seem kinda desperate and not that townlike. Didi saying John Wayne became quiet once he asked him a serious question seems weird to me, I think John Wayne responded in a calm, thought out way instead of suddenly hiding
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he was trying to pivot out of desperation .
he actually started playing the game . vote pressure works.
Lalisa said:
Ekko is going straight to the scum/hostile indie pile for me. Did nothing on D1, gave a bunch of useless reads for group 1, did nothing here, didn't read back, says that he wanted real interactions, and then left without interacting much.
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ditto
usually he would be a pest by now
grabbing the game by the nutsac , mass tagging everyone etc.
 
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