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Draekke said:
Yes, but I'm asking you how would they be able to better utilize him? Are you suggesting they would tell him not to out purple mafia as purple, even if he scans them? He would just not announce that he scanned them, then wouldn't have to worry about repercussions. I think it's much more likely that he wasn't able to get mafia reads on the purple mafia. But anyway, the point is moot because Didi is dead. I just don't think he would announce them as town when his goal is to eliminate them.
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Your logic is based on one player making there own decisions. When it actually is happening is a scum player looking at his role and using for their own benefit.
 
SoulKiller said:
Executing one of Santi/LM helps us get better read on the other and vice versa. Executing Saturday I see no valuable information from it and I don't read the dude townie from what I saw. So it's either Saturday or LM/Sanji.

You see I did provide a reason on why to not remove the execute, you just chose to ignore it. I said by removing the execute. You give a reason for scum to relax and avoid lynches and have no worry in the world to be executed. This is the wrong way to move forward. I still think we should execute LM or Sanji here. Out of the two, I am willing to go for LM to get better read on Sanji.
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You know that the mafia would still need to control the lynch in order to win, right? Meaning they would need to be in the lynch pool sooner or later.

And again - lets not forget that we have abilities that we've seen since the merger and not flipped yet that pulls someone into the lynch pool.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
Deus exs ability also stated when killed but worked on lynches too.
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no it doesn't

From his role flip. Magic MacGuffin

During the day, Deus ex machina can gift one of its teammates an unreasonably powerful item, protecting them against all forms of damage except the execution for the rest of the cycle and permanently improving their abilities. Deus ex machina will learn how it improved each teammate's abilities. Deus ex machina can only use this ability once on each teammate.
 
SoulKiller said:
Executing one of Santi/LM helps us get better read on the other and vice versa. Executing Saturday I see no valuable information from it and I don't read the dude townie from what I saw. So it's either Saturday or LM/Sanji.

You see I did provide a reason on why to not remove the execute, you just chose to ignore it. I said by removing the execute. You give a reason for scum to relax and avoid lynches and have no worry in the world to be executed. This is the wrong way to move forward. I still think we should execute LM or Sanji here. Out of the two, I am willing to go for LM to get better read on Sanji.
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I mean, do you really think the execute is making it so scum don't realx? It's so easy to avoid it if you're even like, semi-active. And the people who are less active probably aren't worrying about it in the first place lol
 
DrProfessor83 said:
Group 2 peeps also came in and wrecked Owner, JoJo, and NFC lol.
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I'm not really interested in Group 1 v Group 2 nonsense, and one of the biggest propogators of said nonsense was Scum himself anyway. That said, to deflect to that when pressed o this issue rings manipulative and insincere.

Fuji/Michelle can be the backup Red POe.
 
Kira Yagami said:
Nfc vouching for me so strongly from the start was sus especially the fact the only info i had on him was his characters name, knew there was more to it than that :lmao
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Now let me be real for a second. You didn't for a second think I would actually trust the info I got. So I am being more than honest when I say my vouch is almost entirely off my reads
 
SoulKiller said:
I don't agree with removing the execute, count me out. We should utilize it to pressure people, not remove it all together and let scum relax and start avoiding lynches and be inactive. Fuck that. We flip the one who is mostly scummy out of the list, their flip will give us information on the thread. Like wake up people.
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The fat's been trimmed in this game at this point, at this stage we've narrowed the game down enough where someone who's coasting can just as easily be removed by traditional means.

This is the first game on NF I've played with this Execute mechanic, how else do you think I've been able to eliminate scum and win games on this website for 10 years without it? Why MUST I have it now in order to deal with an age old problem? I'll admit that it's served its purpose, but that purpose has now been served.

You over-hyping its importance and relevance is ridiculous.
 
Draekke said:
16-8 - I think it would be bad to lose any more on JW so nobody with a large vote power comes in and snags someone else as secondary, only to have Owner be immune again.

[Vote Lynch John Wayne]

15-9 now**
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tbh I like the 16-8 a bit more just cause 15-9 makes it a little more like vote power and whatnot could tip jw in the lead.

that's not really a bad thing because JW should go too, but still lol
 
Draekke said:
no it doesn't

From his role flip. Magic MacGuffin

During the day, Deus ex machina can gift one of its teammates an unreasonably powerful item, protecting them against all forms of damage except the execution for the rest of the cycle and permanently improving their abilities. Deus ex machina will learn how it improved each teammate's abilities. Deus ex machina can only use this ability once on each teammate.
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You asked if it worked on lynches, I said probably not and then you asked nitty and he said yes. So why are you disagreeing with me here?
 
Ratchet said:
Why do we need to execute to "get a better read" on a player? In a stage if the game when any mistake can tip the balance? What utter nonsense lol. You can start open scumming now, no reason to read another post of yours after this.
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No, what you are suggesting is utter nonsense. Let's remove the execute? really? let scum start avoiding lynches and be inactive? what fucked up reason is that. Makes no sense, why you want mafia to relax? and not keep up with their activity? MAKES NO SENSE.

You can honestly just stop posting, executing the one I find scummy the most out of that bunch which will help us resolve the game better with new information is now consider nonsense? fuck off mate. Your town game has been subpar all game. It's quite a shame. I lost all hope in you ever resolving my slot. You are dense as fuck.
 
Ratchet said:
I'm not really interested in Group 1 v Group 2 nonsense, and one of the biggest propogators of said nonsense was Scum himself anyway. That said, to deflect to that when pressed o this issue rings manipulative and insincere.

Fuji/Michelle can be the backup Red POe.
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Me either, I was just bantering lol.

I think Fuji is probably town for what it’s worth. Would have Mich/TS for backup Red POE.
 
SoulKiller said:
No, what you are suggesting is utter nonsense. Let's remove the execute? really? let scum start avoiding lynches and be inactive? what fucked up reason is that. Makes no sense, why you want mafia to relax? and not keep up with their activity? MAKES NO SENSE.

You can honestly just stop posting, executing the one I find scummy the most out of that bunch which will help us resolve the game better with new information is now consider nonsense? fuck off mate. Your town game has been subpar all game. It's quite a shame. I lost all hope in you ever resolving my slot. You are dense as fuck.
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Not that subpar - killed Night 1 and have been generally on the ball since Day 2 ended. No reason to keep the execute around when it has served its purpose, and everyone knows you don't lynch to resolve a single town read.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
You asked if it worked on lynches, I said probably not and then you asked nitty and he said yes. So why are you disagreeing with me here?
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You said that the role said it triggers when killed. That's not correct. It defends against all harm. LM's claim is that his ability states when he is killed, not lynched. I'm clarifying something I feel like you were not correct about.
 
Santí said:
The fat's been trimmed in this game at this point, at this stage we've narrowed the game down enough where someone who's coasting can just as easily be removed by traditional means.

This is the first game on NF I've played with this Execute mechanic, how else do you think I've been able to eliminate scum and win games on this website for 10 years without it? Why MUST I have it now in order to deal with an age old problem? I'll admit that it's served its purpose, but that purpose has now been served.

You over-hyping its importance and relevance is ridiculous.
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I am not hyping the importance of it. It is important especially later into the game because it puts scum on edge. By removing it, you are literally slowing down the process to eliminate scum. You want only lynch to be our only effective method of eliminating scum? why? If the player is townie they would be active and try their best to remove themselves from the execute pool. Removing it is literally game throwing.
 
Ratchet said:
I am because both are dead. Iwan was lynched, unless you want to argue that lynching Scum is jobbing I suggest you concede this point.
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What’s his flip then?

Last day phase doesnt count by the way because I got more active as well as some others. Day 1 of the merge was a good description of group 2‘s finest when y’all led the lynches on your group 2 members leading to 3 town deaths.

So again, my jobbing point stands.
 
Draekke said:
Current VC as of Post 4663 (sorry if I missed any)

AF - Owner
Ali - Owner
AM - Owner
Bada - Owner
Draekke - Owner
DrProf - Owner
Ekko - Owner
Hero - Owner
Hidden - Owner
Iwan - Owner
JW - Owner
Juan - Owner
Karma - JW
Kira - Owner
Legend - JW
Lind - Owner
LM - JW
Mich - JW
nfc - JW
Owner - JW
Santi - Owner
Saturday - JW
SoulKiller - Owner
TS - JW

Owner - 16
John Wayne - 8
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Kinda think it would be better if JW had the majority
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
What’s his flip then?

Last day phase doesnt count by the way because I got more active as well as some others. Day 1 of the merge was a good description of group 2‘s finest when y’all led the lynches on your group 2 members leading to 3 town deaths.

So again, my jobbing point stands.
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Your jobbing point is idiotic nonsense. You don't need to see his flip to see that he was lynched -how can it be jobbing to lynch scum? Would you like to explain that? You can't, so it's nonsense.

Your argument is worthless here. It doesn't matter.
 
Draekke said:
You said that the role said it triggers when killed. That's not correct. It defends against all harm. LM's claim is that his ability states when he is killed, not lynched. I'm clarifying something I feel like you were not correct about.
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The point I was trying to put across here is that You said LMs ability doesnt protect against lynches when it can very well be.
 
SoulKiller said:
I am not hyping the importance of it. It is important especially later into the game because it puts scum on edge. By removing it, you are literally slowing down the process to eliminate scum. You want only lynch to be our only effective method of eliminating scum? why? If the player is townie they would be active and try their best to remove themselves from the execute pool. Removing it is literally game throwing.
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ah yes our only effective method of eliminating scum when it's been town about 90% of the time because mafia tend to take more responsibility and will actively post to avoid it.

Like you say it's gmaethrowing, but I don't get why you don't think mafia couldn't just.... post more. Like if they did that then you're right it is game throwing. But because we'd be lynching town every day
 
Ratchet said:
Your jobbing point is idiotic nonsense. You don't need to see his flip to see that he was lynched -how can it be jobbing to lynch scum? Would you like to explain that? You can't, so it's nonsense.

Your argument is worthless here. It doesn't matter.
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You lynched no scum day 1 of the merge, that is jobbing. Is Iwan confirmed scum yes or no? or are you just assuming it? If its the later then until his flip my argument stands.


Deal with it.
 
Ratchet said:
Not that subpar - killed Night 1 and have been generally on the ball since Day 2 ended. No reason to keep the execute around when it has served its purpose, and everyone knows you don't lynch to resolve a single town read.
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The execute serves more purpose now than ever. You are literally removing town most reliable way of killing scum. Why slow down the process by making it only a lynch? Why make scum be inactive? why give them a reason to avoid lynches? and why give them reason to relax and start being inactive? Like I can't believe I actually have to explain to people why removing one of townies most important tools in this game the lynch and execute is a horrible idea.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
The point I was trying to put across here is that You said LMs ability doesnt protect against lynches when it can very well be.
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I mean, he very clearly says "murdered" which means killed in other words. Killed in mafia does not equal lynched.

@Shizune - if an ability is said to delay a player's death due to being killed, would that include lynch? Or does kill and lynch mean different things?
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
You lynched no scum day 1 of the merge, that is jobbing. Is Iwan confirmed scum yes or no? or are you just assuming it? If its the later then until his flip my argument stands.


Deal with it.
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Yes Iwan is confirmed Scum. He might not be Purple, but he is certainly hostile. You don't need to see his role sheet to know this.

Jobbing, not jobbing, it's all worthless pride and ego. We're one town, best start thinking in those terms Fuji.
 
SoulKiller said:
The execute serves more purpose now than ever. You are literally removing town most reliable way of killing scum. Why slow down the process by making it only a lynch? Why make scum be inactive? why give them a reason to avoid lynches? and why give them reason to relax and start being inactive? Like I can't believe I actually have to explain to people why removing one of townies most important tools in this game the lynch and execute is a horrible idea.
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If they do all those things won’t they be easier to catch lol?
 
Ratchet said:
Yeah that's not really good enough imo. You have plenty of better targets, you know this from G2 too, there is no good reason to protect NFC here instead of any one of those. I have bo idea what you were thinking, even if you're Scum it's suboptimal though (as you would be covering your scum mates).
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I wanted to save one of person targetted by superkills, which is almost certainly purple mafia ability.
 
Draekke said:
I mean, he very clearly says "murdered" which means killed in other words. Killed in mafia does not equal lynched.

@Shizune - if an ability is said to delay a player's death due to being killed, would that include lynch? Or does kill and lynch mean different things?
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Murdered only refers to being killed by another player
 
Hidden said:
ah yes our only effective method of eliminating scum when it's been town about 90% of the time because mafia tend to take more responsibility and will actively post to avoid it.

Like you say it's gmaethrowing, but I don't get why you don't think mafia couldn't just.... post more. Like if they did that then you're right it is game throwing. But because we'd be lynching town every day
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They can post more, having the execute put them on edge and allows them to be on the edge of their seat. The more scum post the more chances they might slip or something. If you remove the execute right now, you literally basically telling all scum to relax and enjoy being inactive and let townies tunnel each other to death while scum simply relax and enjoy in the backseat and avoid lynches without any consequences.
 
SoulKiller said:
The execute serves more purpose now than ever. You are literally removing town most reliable way of killing scum. Why slow down the process by making it only a lynch? Why make scum be inactive? why give them a reason to avoid lynches? and why give them reason to relax and start being inactive? Like I can't believe I actually have to explain to people why removing one of townies most important tools in this game the lynch and execute is a horrible idea.
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well no one is voting to get rid of the lynch, lol. Don't try and make things seem more dramatic than they are.
 
Ratchet said:
Instead of telling us to wake up, how about arguing why and who we should execute in the face of this new information? Like this is the problem - how is anyone supposed to read you as Town when this is what you're putting out there?
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Yes, I think Soul is my biggest purple candidate after outed JW and Hero/Iwan which deaths were delayed.
 
DrProfessor83 said:
If they do all those things won’t they be easier to catch lol?
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depends on the person, but all of us would be fucked by then. You want scum to keep avoiding lynches and fuck us during the NP? How long do you think this cat and mouse game would last? we can't even get people to shoot outed scum like owner, and you expect me to have faith in townie NP abilities here? like come on. This becomes a battle of endurance on which scum probably have the advantage over and you can kiss this game good bye for townie.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
I do admit I was being overly aggro and I apologize @Ratchet
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No apology required, I just believe it is long past time you and several others got out of your ra-ra Group 1 vs Group 2 mindset because all it does it detract from the current town being able to work as a cohesive unit.
 
Draekke said:
well no one is voting to get rid of the lynch, lol. Don't try and make things seem more dramatic than they are.
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I never said people are trying to remove the lynch. Please read my post before replying. Would do you good. I said lynch and execute is townies most valuable tools to have and removing one of them (the execute in this scenario) is literally crippling town. Because town main power comes from lynches and execute in this game. Not fucking NP actions, that is mafia specialty usually.
 
Admiral Fujitora said:
Okay then I stand corrected, doesnt mean he cant have modified the claim up for the very reason that it wouldn’t match with the Iwan situation but Hero was killed at night and his death was delayed.
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Honestly though I think Ratchet's point about LM's protect being multiple targets that is the strongest town point for LM at the moment.
 
SoulKiller said:
They can post more, having the execute put them on edge and allows them to be on the edge of their seat. The more scum post the more chances they might slip or something. If you remove the execute right now, you literally basically telling all scum to relax and enjoy being inactive and let townies tunnel each other to death while scum simply relax and enjoy in the backseat and avoid lynches without any consequences.
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okay and? If anyone suddenly drops into being inactive cool we can sus them for that and they become a hotspot for abilities. Idk can it be useful? Sure. Will it realistically? I don't know I think it's MUCH more up in the air and you're overstating the importance of it.

Legit the only reason I might want to keep it at this point is because JW might be on it tomorrow lol
 
SoulKiller said:
I never said people are trying to remove the lynch. Please read my post before replying. Would do you good. I said lynch and execute is townies most valuable tools to have and removing one of them (the execute in this scenario) is literally crippling town. Because town main power comes from lynches and execute in this game. Not fucking NP actions, that is mafia specialty usually.
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Well your words actually state that we're getting rid of both, but I understand what you meant.
 
To put this Group 1 v Group 2 thing to rest - Group 1 did do better yes. You guys lynched scum every day. However Group 2 went 5 for 6 on the last 6 lynch eliminations before the merge which is also pretty good. We can't do anything about Worm Juice avoiding the lynch and it being redirected to Nessos, nor can we do anything about Iwan being listed as lynch but whose death is delayed.
 
Hidden said:
okay and? If anyone suddenly drops into being inactive cool we can sus them for that and they become a hotspot for abilities. Idk can it be useful? Sure. Will it realistically? I don't know I think it's MUCH more up in the air and you're overstating the importance of it.

Legit the only reason I might want to keep it at this point is because JW might be on it tomorrow lol
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Lol good point. If Owner gets lynched, JW is in pool. If Owner doesn't then it's likely JW does instead and then Owner is in the pool. lol.
 
SoulKiller said:
depends on the person, but all of us would be fucked by then. You want scum to keep avoiding lynches and fuck us during the NP? How long do you think this cat and mouse game would last? we can't even get people to shoot outed scum like owner, and you expect me to have faith in townie NP abilities here? like come on. This becomes a battle of endurance on which scum probably have the advantage over and you can kiss this game good bye for townie.
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Also I'm about 96% sure that if the game starts to become literally unwinnable because of the fact that scum can just refuse to be a lynch candidate, that shizune would do something :lmao
 
Lord Melkor said:
Yes, I think Soul is my biggest purple candidate after outed JW and Hero/Iwan which deaths were delayed.
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Mate, you don't even trying to solve me here. You literally have no case whatsoever. You said in post earlier when you provided didi investigation results that out of that list, only JW fooled the results. Indicating that the rest are good? but now you saying I am scum? make up your mind mate.
 
SoulKiller said:
I am not hyping the importance of it. It is important especially later into the game because it puts scum on edge. By removing it, you are literally slowing down the process to eliminate scum. You want only lynch to be our only effective method of eliminating scum? why? If the player is townie they would be active and try their best to remove themselves from the execute pool. Removing it is literally game throwing.
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1. You're over-stating its ability to pressure scum into activity. A lot of inactive scum have already been killed via the execute, and it's not too difficult to game the system. Whoever's left alive at this point is almost certainly invested in this game enough to not repeatedly fall into the Execute pile.

2. It's technically true that this would slow down the process of elimination, but it also slows down town's decaying control of the lynch in a context where we're genuinely somewhat terrified about the potential number of remaining scum still left alive. I'm willing to make this trade-off.

3. The lynch is not our only method of removing scum, it's our most important and powerful, but not the sole one. Even without the Execute.
 
SoulKiller said:
Mate, you don't even trying to solve me here. You literally have no case whatsoever. You said in post earlier when you provided didi investigation results that out of that list, only JW fooled the results. Indicating that the rest are good? but now you saying I am scum? make up your mind mate.
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Probably saw the nonsense you were arguing now and made up his mind. Like I said, you can just drop the facade here, literally no one is buying it lol.
 
Santí said:
1. You're over-stating its ability to pressure scum into activity. A lot of inactive scum have already been killed via the execute, and it's not too difficult to game the system. Whoever's left alive at this point is almost certainly invested in this game enough to note repeatedly fall into the Execute pile.
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This makes no sense, you think scum here are the most active players and the lower activity players are all townie? I feel like a broken record at this point.

2. It's technically true that this would slow down the process of elimination, but it also slows down town's decaying control of the lynch in a context where we're genuinely somewhat terrified about the potential number of remaining scum still left alive. I'm willing to make this trade-off.

3. The lynch is not our only method of removing scum, it's our most important and powerful, but not the sole one. Even without the Execute.
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There is no trade off in the world to remove one of townies most valuable tools, and yea lynch and execute is the MOST effective methods of removing scum. Fuck players other ways of removing scum. They can't even fucking shoot Owner or JW and you honestly can look me in the eyes and say town is reliable in the NP to kill scum? come on mate.
 
If Melkor is going to modify the claim enough to stipulate murdered or something, why not change the delaying death part? What does work against him here is that we haven't seen it be used on anyone but Scum or through his claimed ability so far, so there is fair room for doubt on this. But given that we will need protects, we can shelve this for another day.
 
Ratchet said:
Probably saw the nonsense you were arguing now and made up his mind. Like I said, you can just drop the facade here, literally no one is buying it lol.
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Funny, cause you are the one who is suggesting nonsense at this point. I can't wait to see your fucking face when my role flip if I ever get lynched. You literally have to be fucking dumb to think I am scum. I am now scummy because I don't want townie to possibly reduces their chances of winning significantly by removing the execute? LMAO. bruh, and they wonder why group 2 was getting rekt. Holy shit.
 
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