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Draekke
The 10th Man
Like in a perfect world where everyone clearly understood each other and there were no misunderstandings - we wouldn't have to clarify things. But this is far from a perfect world, and I like to ensure things are crystal fucking clear so that town doesn't do something stupid - like almost lynch DrProf yesterday because JoJo went on a mission and started to convince people.
I don't fucking care, the moment the information it shares it incorrect you know that the player sharing it isn't as informed as they purport to be, which leads to the simple conclusion that the messages are, by nature, misleading. You then act like I'm completely out of reason by saying it, with "wtf are you doing Ratchet" when I'm simply holding a position that from my perspective, as well as yours apparently, is completely reasonable. That position being = ignore the stupid fucking messages. How hard can it be?
So cool that I'm freezing
Draekke
The 10th Man
Yes we can ignore stupid messages - but we play as a group. And some of that group are fucking dumb. I don't trust most of the likely townies to understand common sense. Many have just been coasting because better players have been removed.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I’m Town
Draekke
The 10th Man
Your perspective of someone wanting to clarify things being annoying, pedantic, pointless is the wrong stance to take.
Why are you not jumping down Ali's throat for posting fucking nonsense all game? No, you like them, so you let it slide. You don't like how I post, so you argue.
青月光
𝔇𝔯𝔞𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔫
Draekke is just very passionate but @Draekke you cant tell him stuff like that when he’s been pouring so much effort into this game. Both of you need to relax imo, nothing good is coming from this and its just an unnecessary distraction.
Draekke
The 10th Man
Done. I apologize for the way my posting is abrasive to others. It's the way I play, and it's the reason I'm still alive.
You married me on a whim like 5 minutes before the game endedI-I-I'm not that easy
Draekke
The 10th Man
And sorry for getting so aggressive about it to you specifically.
I am also abrasive, if you couldn't tell already, so no need to apologise for that.
In Weebs *
Mich
aka Michelle
If she will receive a refill from her team she will do it again if that's an ability she has. But she can't dodge a vig kill or the superkill from purple. Do you think that town vig and purple mafia will let her live one more day?
My concern it's about purple flipping 4 townies in a night like in group 2 thread night 4 iirc and their killing capacity is complete. When you compare the 2 games you will notice that in group 1 we didn't have such big casualties overnight.
Purple mafia has someone who keeps them alive after death, considering Iwan and Hero flipped but in the alive players list.
These 2 last ideas makes me want John Wayne today.
Didi was saved multiple times from lynches. Did you check when and how? I suppose not.He was saved by scum for sure.
In this moment SK is my top town. There are 2 solid reasons, his case against Didi and what I know about him. Meta helps me now, he plays like town SK.
Maybe we'll have the chance to play again, who knows.
Draekke
The 10th Man
Funny thing is, I like you playstyle for the most part. You're a much better ghost than most people could try to be!
Draekke
The 10th Man
Once again for the people in the back - the ability that Deus Ex Machina has that can stop a lynch, also protects for a full cycle from anything but execution, as per answer by Nitty in Group 1 thread. It's not just "easy" to vig or superkill her lol. We might be lucky and they no longer have the deus ex machina ability, or it was already used on her, but just assuming we can vig the GF is an odd thought process lol.
青月光
𝔇𝔯𝔞𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔫
You married me on a whim like 5 minutes before the game ended
I married your money
So you are easyI married your money
Draekke
The 10th Man
Feel like providing any scum hunting for the group today?I married your money
@Mich Why would Purple kill Red when they can rely on Owner taking up the Town's attention/night actions? They won't need to kill Red at all here until they lose at least two more players, if we assume even numbers, because they can just endgame them instead.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Why are you assuming this lol?
He was “saved” twice early game when Purple would want to keep him alive. SK’s Didi tunnel didn’t start until later in the game, which is when they’d probably start to be okay getting rid of the indie that they know is out to betray them.
Also, SK’s Didi tunnel didn’t actually amount to anything bc there were always other fish to fry. It kept SK busy but Didi wasn’t very likely to get lynched for most of those days.
青月光
𝔇𝔯𝔞𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔫
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
We fucking lynch Owner here, red scum outing themselves to save this girl is alarming as fuck, I don't believe the stupid narrative they are pushing for purple having 4-5 more scum, like wtf? impossible otherwise I am gonna have a word with nitty after the game because I think we have like what? 7 players left from Group 2? so to say than 5 of us is scum is bizzare. Also, due to their behavior this DP I am lead to believe they are not in danger as they want us to believe. Owner role is def a big shot and I don't think they expected her to be placed back into the wagon which further explains their behavior this DP.
After Owner, fucking yeet JW to the cosmos, don't think I have to explain why ya? cockroach title needs to go to him.
Now after JW is gone and for god damn reason NFC is not shot to oblivion and still alive, then yeet this guy to the cosmos.
Here is where the tricky part come. If both nfc and owner are gone and red mafia did not lose, then we need to consider Fuji for the lynch, he is by far the one pinging me off. Or go for Juan, if my memory serves me right he asked Hero to post his role and Hero did, which then juan apparently confirmed that it's true minus some few errors? Now if hero is scum which is most likely then this interaction is kinda weird. Why would town want their role to be outted for the entire world? I can def see juan being scum here who wanted to get a free pass from his scum partner. Also, didn't like his reaction toward didi death, felt fake.
Bada is another person to consider here, he is probably indie and at worst scum. I say this because of his claim of shooting tinky as well, but he could easily of lied about it. If he did lie about it then he is probably scum as well and did so to gain some townie credit.
Michelle, I basically agree with ratchet sentiment here and he pointed out a good point regarding Michelle. Which was this 'I also have her down as Town, but she was pushing broadly the same idea as Jojo and NFC were, both of whom are Scum. If there is still G1 Scum alive after Owner and NFC, she would be my first guess.'
Fuji because of what I explained in my last reads to ratchet, so I will quote it again. 'Fuji I feel like he been acting weird, I don't know if it's just me. But it feels like he is keeping it low profile. Don't see him trying that much tbh and he immediately voted for Owner after ekko called her out that she is scum. Felt to me like he knew Owner was mafia and knew she was lynch immune. Because other Group 1 players didn't just believe ekko and tried to change the wagon to someone else. But he didn't... He was willingly happy to place that vote on Owner and believe ekko claim easily. Weird right? I think Fuji had TMI on Owner. '
Fuji/Bada/Juan/Michelle, and out of these three I am more inclined to Juan/Michelle/Fuji at this point.
After going through all that fuckery we reach a stop, if we flipped red on Fuji or Michelle and red team is still alive then panic mode will kick in. Just how many red mafia are there exactly?
Same thing with purple, if juan/bada got lynched and they flipped purple or by some fuckery they actually flip townie and purple is still alive then maybe we truly need to look at Prof/Ekko and red team claim they been spewing all day actually have TMI we don't know regarding them. If both of them are truly town then Santi need to be looked at here.
青月光
𝔇𝔯𝔞𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔫
Mich
aka Michelle
I posted the idea to be discussed. If that number isn't correct why Laix died after outed it?
Draekke said is nothing, and Shizune said the game is still balanced so i think the possibility to be false is pretty big.
I will die before this will receive an answer because i need a heal and i doubt i will receive it
Draekke
The 10th Man
Ok but that gif is EXACTLY how I feel when I see people not reading the thread, not reading write ups, dead roles, etc.
We fucking lynch Owner here, red scum outing themselves to save this girl is alarming as fuck, I don't believe the stupid narrative they are pushing for purple having 4-5 more scum, like wtf? impossible otherwise I am gonna have a word with nitty after the game because I think we have like what? 7 players left from Group 2? so to say than 5 of us is scum is bizzare. Also, due to their behavior this DP I am lead to believe they are not in danger as they want us to believe. Owner role is def a big shot and I don't think they expected her to be placed back into the wagon which further explains their behavior this DP.
After Owner, fucking yeet JW to the cosmos, don't think I have to explain why ya? cockroach title needs to go to him.
Now after JW is gone and for god damn reason NFC is not shot to oblivion and still alive, then yeet this guy to the cosmos.
Here is where the tricky part come. If both nfc and owner are gone and red mafia did not lose, then we need to consider Fuji for the lynch, he is by far the one pinging me off. Or go for Juan, if my memory serves me right he asked Hero to post his role and Hero did, which then juan apparently confirmed that it's true minus some few errors? Now if hero is scum which is most likely then this interaction is kinda weird. Why would town want their role to be outted for the entire world? I can def see juan being scum here who wanted to get a free pass from his scum partner. Also, didn't like his reaction toward didi death, felt fake.
Bada is another person to consider here, he is probably indie and at worst scum. I say this because of his claim of shooting tinky as well, but he could easily of lied about it. If he did lie about it then he is probably scum as well and did so to gain some townie credit.
Michelle, I basically agree with ratchet sentiment here and he pointed out a good point regarding Michelle. Which was this 'I also have her down as Town, but she was pushing broadly the same idea as Jojo and NFC were, both of whom are Scum. If there is still G1 Scum alive after Owner and NFC, she would be my first guess.'
Fuji because of what I explained in my last reads to ratchet, so I will quote it again. 'Fuji I feel like he been acting weird, I don't know if it's just me. But it feels like he is keeping it low profile. Don't see him trying that much tbh and he immediately voted for Owner after ekko called her out that she is scum. Felt to me like he knew Owner was mafia and knew she was lynch immune. Because other Group 1 players didn't just believe ekko and tried to change the wagon to someone else. But he didn't... He was willingly happy to place that vote on Owner and believe ekko claim easily. Weird right? I think Fuji had TMI on Owner. '
Fuji/Bada/Juan/Michelle, and out of these three I am more inclined to Juan/Michelle/Fuji at this point.
After going through all that fuckery we reach a stop, if we flipped red on Fuji or Michelle and red team is still alive then panic mode will kick in. Just how many red mafia are there exactly?
Same thing with purple, if juan/bada got lynched and they flipped purple or by some fuckery they actually flip townie and purple is still alive then maybe we truly need to look at Prof/Ekko and red team claim they been spewing all day actually have TMI we don't know regarding them. If both of them are truly town then Santi need to be looked at here.
Still not sure why you think you're some leader. Even if you flip town lol.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I have considered this exact position, but if something ever happened to Juan and he flipped then Hero is outted.
Draekke
The 10th Man
Yes, because why tf would the mafia give two shits about a message that someone sent to Laix randomly? If anything, killing Laix provides a good smokescreen to make people THINK they have that many - not because it was some detrimental info that will cause them to lose lol. It was already in the thread. Killing Laix only spotlights the info.
Mich
aka Michelle
Tell me how we will lynch John Wayne from now on, because he will never be in the lynch pool.
And when he was, he was excused and no one could vote him.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
That gif is literally me right now reading this post of yours.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Why do you think Owner can be vigged or killed by the other team and JW can’t?
Also, Nitty said he wouldn’t let scum break the game like that.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
@Ratchet @Admiral Fujitora @DrProfessor83 @Draekke @Karma @Juan @Lind full claim:
Innate - Magic of Miracles - I can reverse time to protect myself - if I do not receive enough damage to kill me in one night, I will not sustain any damage from kills or bleeds.
Innate - Manifestation of Magic - When I save another player from dying, I gain pernamently one stack of Tempting Fate ability. If I am murdered, my death shall be delayed by one phase for each stack of Tempting Fate i have.
Tempting Fate - see above.
Active - Magical - Cat Furniture Collision - During the night, I can summon cat furniture to protect myself or any other player against kills and mark them as Cat Lover.
Cat Lover - If I use Cat Furniture Collision on a different player, it will also affect the marked player. This mark shall expire at the end of next night.
One Shot - Tactical - Crazy Cat Lady - I can use Cat Furniture Collision on 2 players tonight. If I am alive when the two Favorites games are recombined, I gain an extra charge of this ability.
I think we are at point when every mislynch may turn the tire against the town here so I urge you all to vote no execute.
Innate - Magic of Miracles - I can reverse time to protect myself - if I do not receive enough damage to kill me in one night, I will not sustain any damage from kills or bleeds.
Innate - Manifestation of Magic - When I save another player from dying, I gain pernamently one stack of Tempting Fate ability. If I am murdered, my death shall be delayed by one phase for each stack of Tempting Fate i have.
Tempting Fate - see above.
Active - Magical - Cat Furniture Collision - During the night, I can summon cat furniture to protect myself or any other player against kills and mark them as Cat Lover.
Cat Lover - If I use Cat Furniture Collision on a different player, it will also affect the marked player. This mark shall expire at the end of next night.
One Shot - Tactical - Crazy Cat Lady - I can use Cat Furniture Collision on 2 players tonight. If I am alive when the two Favorites games are recombined, I gain an extra charge of this ability.
I think we are at point when every mislynch may turn the tire against the town here so I urge you all to vote no execute.
Draekke
The 10th Man
If you've not been paying attention, there are abilities that can pull those not in the pool back into it. I don't believe all of those have been found yet. Is JW immune from kills? Why not lynch the red GF and then vig JW with your theory?
Draekke
The 10th Man
Fucking ninja'd lol.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Alright hi I'm back for the end of the day any developments
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
But that's not the case is it? Juan was not eligible for lynch for most of the game. He was never afraid of being lynched and probably have tanky role or something to make him confident in himself to make it far in the game. So I think this theory holds some merit.
Mich
aka Michelle
Owner was attacked by a superkill, i know it because i was too
Someone healed me tonight and I survived but a superkill takes 3 lifes.
How many lifes do you think she still has?
Idk, it's not hosts' job to repair what players can't do tbh
The truth is you want to keep him alive.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
If Juan got killed at night by Red mafia, or a vig (very unlikely since he was town read) then it’s GG for Hero.
They’d have to be confident on Juan not dying at night.
I thought Juan asking for his role outted was weird at the time tho I admit and called him on it.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Hold on let me check when that was
Draekke
The 10th Man
Do you really think Juan - as mafia - would have the ability to GREATLY improve a random player of his choosing with his host roast? That's a lot of charade for it to be possible that his mafia pals don't get it, lol.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Vote No Execute please and lynch is between JW and Owner. I am voting JW because purple should have greater numbers and is propably closing to winning the game.
Draekke
The 10th Man
Owner - again for the nth time - was likely protected from harm last night. Des ex machina ability that might have been used to save her from the lynch also protects for the full cycle.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Exactly, I agree than Juan cannot be scum with what we know of his role.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
It's either that or Bada lied about shooting tinky to get town cred. Pick your poison. Unless you have someone else you scum read beside these two?
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
How do you know she wasn’t protected or very tanky? Idk how many lives she has. But townies have been able to survive that superkill all game by protecting/sharing damage.
But he came into the thread and said it.
I don’t want him alive. It’s about wanting Owner dead first bc we know she’s probably the lynchpin here for Red with how they handled her yesterday.
Draekke
The 10th Man
What do these two things have in common? And why can't they exist together? Lol. You I scum read, regardless of my scan on you.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
He doesn’t choose. That’s an important note.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
But if you believe Hero is scum, then why are you trusting anything he said ? Juan literally went out of his way to let hero out his role. Why? why would a townie want their role outed for scum to see? Makes no sense. Especially at the time it happened when purple was fucking townie hard.
Draekke
The 10th Man
@Alwaysmind - did you RC hidden?Oh lol I got rolecrushed in between g1 ending and this game beginning@Draekke
Draekke
The 10th Man
No, but he chose 8 players plus himself.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
They have nothing in common, but one of them is probably scum and leaning more on juan right now, it's literally going through the PoE which if you read my post you wouldn't even ask such question. Also cool read, but it's false. Who do you scum read beside me from group 2? anyone pinging you here?
Draekke
The 10th Man
@Hidden
It's a bit more complicated than this. Owner should go, she's the red mafia GF - the sooner we get rid of a single mafia, the sooner we have less faction kills to worry about. That being said, because of lynch shenanigans, JW is secondary wagon.
Voting No Execute means taking the execution off the table altogether. That's important to note. Not saying it's the wrong decision, but just want to be clear. And since LM is on that list, he has personal reasons for wanting the execution gone.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Yeah and so far only Hero is highly suspect in that group. Also Didi would be a pretty odd choice for Purple to gamble improving I think.
The host roast definitely seems more town than mafia with how it was used. Doesn’t make his play around Hero and outting his role odd that day.
But Juan is pretty low on my purple POE.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
less odd*
Draekke
The 10th Man
Lord Melker, you, Bada, Hero, Iwan, JW, Kira and Santi are all on my "not quite town" or lower list.
In order...
Iwan
hero
JW
You
Kira
LM
Santi.
Mich
aka Michelle
We had Vanya who did that indeed.
I don't know if JW is immune or not.
I am affraid she has an ace in her sleeve and she will evade the lynch again.
Anyways what's the VC?
Draekke
The 10th Man
Fair. Yes Juan is far below most of the group on my list tbh lol.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
List of persons I have been protecting through the game:
1. - Natalija and Ekko (one shot used to protect two people);
2. WPK- I helped him against superkill and received message to lynch WJ already;
3. Juan;
4. Charles- pretty annoyed he died despite my protection;
5. Juan and Karma (one shot used again since I regained it upon merger
6. Ncforth - plus I got message from Shizune that Karma was saved from death
@Ratchet @Juan @Admiral Fujitora @Draekke @Lind @DrProfessor83 @Hidden @Karma
1. - Natalija and Ekko (one shot used to protect two people);
2. WPK- I helped him against superkill and received message to lynch WJ already;
3. Juan;
4. Charles- pretty annoyed he died despite my protection;
5. Juan and Karma (one shot used again since I regained it upon merger
6. Ncforth - plus I got message from Shizune that Karma was saved from death
@Ratchet @Juan @Admiral Fujitora @Draekke @Lind @DrProfessor83 @Hidden @Karma
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Yeah the Owner vs. JW stuff I figured should still be 1st or second. Tbh I'm not sure myself which one should really be in the lead or not though. Because Owner does at least have some points from what I read in that like, Purple IS potentially scarier and like, I don't want to be screwed over even when we're hitting people correctly.
No execute is an update though yeah. Tbh I'm willing to sheep people that santi is town. LM does sound more like he botched a real claim than a fake one. Tbh Saturday culd actually be mafia I just don't know I feel about yeeting him
I guess it depends on if JW or Owner are in the lead. If JW end up in the lead I don't mind yeeting Saturday as much
Draekke
The 10th Man
But the point is, you seem concerned about Owner and JW in different ways, instead of the same reasons. She literally has more reasons to be moved than JW at this point. She can just as easily not join the lynch pool as JW can at this point. Just because his history shows he's done it more doesn't make the future more likely as well. And if she avoids the lynch - that's why we have secondary wagon lol. Your argument is flawed.
Lord Melkor
Well-Known Member
Well, question is we can afford misexecuting town at this point?
I have no idea about Saturday, I can vote execute him over myself here.
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
Well-Known Member
My sleeves are too short. I don't see "any". Is it possible they could be invisible and I wouldn't know it?
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
For anyone who wasn’t in Group 2, these targets were verified by a town watcher.
Not the action of course but targets.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Owner is leading rn.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
Did anyone ever get me the list of people that didi investigated or am I just gonna have to dig through game 2 tonight to figure that out 
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
I completely forgot about Kira here. Dude been MIA most of this DP, ngl that's kinda pinging me weird now.
@DrProfessor83 you have any reads on Kira?
nfcnorth
Well-Known Member
You realize I had other avenues in thread to take right?
@DrProfessor83 @Draekke thoughts on LMs claim? As well as his voting JW because he believes Purples are close to winning? Do you believe he is bussing JW here or?
[Vote execute saturday]
NFC vouched for him, doubt NFC would do that to a purple mafia tbh.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
Kira, hammer, Santi, JW, Bada and someone else. That’s off the dome.Did anyone ever get me the list of people that didi investigated or am I just gonna have to dig through game 2 tonight to figure that out
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
He has been at a 100% hit rate on his scum reads which I find suspicious for someone so inactive. But his claim of role rushing JW yesterday and countering JoJo with it added up. Lean town and lower in my POE.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
I assume there's an actual reason to think JW is scum here today that's stronger than the inno check on JW?
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
He could be bussing Idk. I mean his claim makes sense to me but I couldn’t look at it and tell you it had to be town and couldn’t be altered mafia role. I know his N1 and N2 targets line up and nothing bad happened to Ekko that night besides the stuff hammer did to him.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
He’s open scumming now lol