Game Favorites '22 - THE FINALS (purple mafia wins!)

[Lord Melkor]

My preference would probably be, in the following order:

John Wayne > SoulKiller (this is the point where Purple ideally loses) > NFC North > Karma > Mich > Fuji

That likely wins the game? Can discuss the likes of AlwaysMind and Travelling Swordsman too.

I hope Karma is not scum, because I was protecting her.. I assumed there should be max 1 or 2 red alive post merger.

 

[Alwaysmind]

Town coping hard over the real numbers of Mafia is hilarious to watch

Sadly for you I don’t care how much of you ate left, just that we’re going to get you in the end.

 

[Lord Melkor]

If you seriously want to win then you're gonna have to start entertain the idea that yeah there's around half a dozen scum left on both teams.

There are probably some indies left, do you have info on them?

 

[Lord Melkor]

Basically this cycle we eliminate Purple (John Wayne).
Next cycle, we do one of two things:
α - If Iwandesu and Hero die as a result of John Wayne's death, we lynch NFC North. This will, ideally, put both scum teams onto about 1 member remaining each.
β - If Iwandesu and Hero do not die, we lynch SoulKiller (if he isn't dead from his superkill).
The following cycle, we lynch either SoulKiller (in the event of α) or NFC North (in the event of β).
The cycle after, we can lynch between Mich/Karma and Lind. Probably Mich.
The cycle after that, we can kill Lind.

This course of action is fine for in general, though one concern I have is that leaving potential hostile for the last is dangerous if he has bonus to vote power - if he is just left with 2 town he will likely win.

This message about Red numbers is very concerning, though the role cop who sent this may be lying about alignment of some players.

@Karma, can you flavour claim? Is your character a protagonist?

 

[Ratchet]

I hope Karma is not scum, because I was protecting her.. I assumed there should be max 1 or 2 red alive post merger.

Why are you protecting PoE slots? This marks the second time. Is there a good reason for this Melkor?

 

[Lord Melkor]

He is? Can add him right there with Mich then for red PoE.

His character is main hero and the chosen of Wheel of Time series.

Was there any main character in group 1 which was not Red?

 

[Lord Melkor]

Why are you protecting PoE slots? This marks the second time. Is there a good reason for this Melkor?

I protected Karma first day after the merger, I do not think she was POE slot at this point, from what I glimpsed (I did not read most of the Group 1 thread) she seemed active player and town to me.

 

[Lord Melkor]

I protected Karma first day after the merger, I do not think she was POE slot at this point, from what I glimpsed (I did not read most of the Group 1 thread) she seemed active player and town to me.

So I did not have great idea about Group 1 players @Ratchet, but the consensus was that the Red Mafia is almost extinct so the POE is mostly Group 2 players. Now we know this was not entire true, since Red apparently is huge due to not being the same chat?

Protecting innocent childs seems to be a bit too obvious as mafia may avoid them due to watchers/doctors etc.

 

[Ratchet]

His character is main hero and the chosen of Wheel of Time series.

Was there any main character in group 1 which was not Red?

I do not have time to cross-reference that. It's possible, worth doing @someone

So I did not have great idea about Group 1 players @Ratchet, but the consensus was that the Red Mafia is almost extinct so the POE is mostly Group 2 players. Now we know this was not entire true, since Red apparently is huge due to not being the same chat?

Protecting innocent childs seems to be a bit too obvious as mafia may avoid them due to watchers/doctors etc.

It cannot be helped now anyway.

 

[Lord Melkor]

And I just remembered @Karma was one of two players I saved from death in this game (alongside WPK pre merger).

But are town, right? Otherwise I will be sad.

 

[Badalight]

If true that would mean Melkor protected 2 scum from death. Rip

 

[Ratchet]

If true that would mean Melkor protected 2 scum from death. Rip

WPK was Town.

 

[Fujitora]

Basically this cycle we eliminate Purple (John Wayne).
Next cycle, we do one of two things:
α - If Iwandesu and Hero die as a result of John Wayne's death, we lynch NFC North. This will, ideally, put both scum teams onto about 1 member remaining each.
β - If Iwandesu and Hero do not die, we lynch SoulKiller (if he isn't dead from his superkill).
The following cycle, we lynch either SoulKiller (in the event of α) or NFC North (in the event of β).
The cycle after, we can lynch between Mich/Karma and Lind. Probably Mich.

Why is lind suddenly here? Like what is actually wrong with you this game fam? You think a bad indie role gets the type of role that basically makes him stand out? He’s town jfc.

 

[青月光]

As long as we have vote silence the game wont end

I do have a tinfoil it could also be Ali since hes revealed some info abt vp in g1

But since we saw a lot of linds role from Hero im more sure on him. He also seems more like the try hard schemer compared to Ali

Well tbf I'm kind of a schemer but there's no flavour here so shrugh.

 

[Fujitora]

some tinfoil been bothering me is if purple have bus drivers then badalight could have purposely bus drove iwan with firestormer then shot iwan so the kill purposely goes to firestormer, while all protects or w.e on firestormer go to iwan. a play i do alot as scum

the same can be done for tinky. tinky had a hider ability. if tinky was hiding behind someone that night and bada shot him, the kill will go to the person tinky was hiding behind, unless someone roleblocked tinky to stop the hider. then bada claimed the shot for town cred

the issue with this is he had no reason to out shooting iwan ahhh. in fact firestormer was heavily suspected so bada outing that information is what got attention from firestormer to iwan. bada still voted firestormer, and he realized he fked up so kept mentioning how the redirect could be one way not 2 ways (i.e not a busdrive). still saying anything about iwan is stupid asfk there

like i can see bada being scum, but not too sold on it after him outing iwan for no reason. the counter argument is iwan's death being delayed so outing him is free town cred. bada seemed super eager to out that he shot tinky, without considering tinky's hider possibility. its more town cred even if it was not intended. its weird that purple leaves a claimed vig do as he wish, similar to how didi was left. and bada's suspecting didi for doing the same things he did makes no sense from town PoV. he subconsciously knows its for town cred. if didi did it, why not bada. didi was town reading bada more than bada town reading didi.

purple PoE:
JW, sk, hero, iwan
if purple still dont end: bada/kira/santi

the message mentions 4 purple. 2 alive, 2 dying. and says that JW is a purple with flavor name gordon freeman. we can test the integrity of this first by yeeting JW. otherwise message can be ignored. altho i will say the message gave us really delicate role cop results that sounded much like what shizune would write in his roles lol, so if faked, the guy put lots of effort into it lmao. so far none of the players who were mentioned in it have denied it which might mean its true and karma/mich/TS are scum.


@Badalight @Santí can u guys full claim ur actions n1 to n8? like everything please

@Kira Yagami you too please

@SoulKiller whats ur purple PoE right now sk? ur just scum arent u m8. shame

@Karma @Traveling Swordsman @Mich @Admiral Fujitora you guys too

Since the merge I have been marking my purple and red poe targets.

My poe right now:

Purple:
JW
Sk
Santi
Bada

Red:
NFc
TS
Mich
Karma
Legend

 

[Badalight]

WPK was Town.

he protected nfc as well

 

[Ratchet]

Why is lind suddenly here? Like what is actually wrong with you this game fam? You think a bad indie role gets the type of role that basically makes him stand out? He’s town jfc.

"what is wrong with you this game"
How is this in any way deserved? I looked up a reads list from like Day 3 in the other game. Right on 14, wrong on 5. Yet players like you try to act like I'm playing awfully from an accuracy point of view because I don't just automatically fall in line with what you want me to believe. You have done it. Sinraven tried it. Soulkiller tried it. If you are town here, you can piss off to be honest.

 

[Fujitora]

His character is main hero and the chosen of Wheel of Time series.

Was there any main character in group 1 which was not Red?

Characters that were not MCs also flipped red, also Brain from pinky and the brain is an Mc and flipped town. Solving by flavor instead of threadplay is just retarded. Flavor helps but not when it contradicts threadplay. And I always said Nitty wouldn’t make it so black and white. Case in point, me.

 

[Ratchet]

he protected nfc as well

He didn't delay his death, though. I've already gave him shit for protecting NFC, it doesn't need restating

 

[Fujitora]

"what is wrong with you this game"
How is this in any way deserved? I looked up a reads list from like Day 3 in the other game. Right on 14, wrong on 5. Yet players like you try to act like I'm playing awfully from an accuracy point of view because I don't just automatically fall in line with what you want me to believe. You have done it. Sinraven tried it. Soulkiller tried it. If you are town here, you can piss off to be honest.

It is deserved because your play is infuriating me right now, you are being awful in my eyes right now mate. You are playing like utter garbage when it comes to solving slots like lind for example, youre just ignoring him from the poe and suddenly hes like 4th in line and may need to be vigged. So yes, I will repeat again, what is wrong with you this game?

 

[Ekkologix]

SoulKiller is known Scum, and this should be doubly so from your perspective.

p much

We can safely assume he is not the last, because 9 red to 8 purple is awkward. 10 red to 8 purple, that fits nicely.

okay we in same page here
/metagaming the post nitty made about players complaining had the word outnumbered mentioned in it. thats gotta be purple

If Red have so many left, then we will simply have to live with that result. It's not optimal to gamble, and a cursory look over Game 1 has revealed several of these messages that often seem to try and cause disarray and pandemonium within the town. The best thing to do is ignore it - if they were intended to be helpful, the one making them would have made that clear.

so thats what im saying. it also means that someone in game 1 is going against reds from that game or want to mess with game 1 townies, otherwise no reason to provide these detailed roles. i cannot tell u what the true motive behind this is, but seeing that many reds still alive surprised me and i dont belive it fully either. my question becomes what if its partially true? we know the message is not purple aligned so we can atleast assume they are not working for the benefit of purple. something to keep in mind 1-2 days from now.

Soul's claim is in direct conflict with information you have, and you are still trying to tell me that he somehow isn't known Scum. This discussion ends here.

okay we were doing good until this lol
i dont care what sk is saying. that doesn't tell me anything about fuji's alignment. sk's confidence against fuji can be easily sparked by tmi he has on him. fuji's responses to sk and prof today arent that great to help me look the other eay either imo. we always lynch SK before fuji, that we can atleast agree on. on the flip side, i've been scum reading fuji since day 1 in game 1 of faves. what sk is saying doesnt mean jack to me nor change my opinion on fuji. i've been having doubts about red faction numbers ever since NFC hard open scummed, and the message made those doubts stronger lol. the guy confirmed being MC of wheel of time lol.

we r working under incomplete information on purple/red compositions, but one thing that is clear from their roles and message is that red members started separately. i am a firm believer in the fact that if we keep yeeting scum daily regardless of their color we shud win, otherwise how is town ever winning this game without scum crossfire. i trust in nitty's balance so moving on

this my final opinion on this: take JW today. depending on his flip we decide to move on to NFC/SK

wipe both NFC/SK then we move on to fuji or whoever else in red PoE (karma, mich, TS). that shud be game. if iwan/hero still remain alive then there is likely 1 more purple still left or their death requires to be killed twice. we could try lynching one of them again 2 days from now.

if game still dont end then we hunt for indies at that point but ye

 

[Ratchet]

It is deserved because your play is infuriating me right now, you are being awful in my eyes right now mate. You are playing like utter garbage when it comes to solving slots like lind for example, youre just ignoring him from the poe and suddenly hes like 4th in line and may need to be vigged. So yes, I will repeat again, what is wrong with you this game?

Lind barely bothered playing in Group 2, tried to use the rules as a shield, and hasn't done much here, yet me not just believing he's town is playing awful. You can save the "mate" bullshit, I'm using what I have to read him. His threadplay has been almost non existent. 4th in line after JW/SK/NFC/Michelle. Which might just be the last 4 scum in the game anyway. If we go through those and the game hasn't ended then yes slots like you and Lind are in play in my eyes.

 

[Fujitora]

p much


okay we in same page here
/metagaming the post nitty made about players complaining had the word outnumbered mentioned in it. thats gotta be purple


so thats what im saying. it also means that someone in game 1 is going against reds from that game or want to mess with game 1 townies, otherwise no reason to provide these detailed roles. i cannot tell u what the true motive behind this is, but seeing that many reds still alive surprised me and i dont belive it fully either. my question becomes what if its partially true? we know the message is not purple aligned so we can atleast assume they are not working for the benefit of purple. something to keep in mind 1-2 days from now.


okay we were doing good until this lol
i dont care what sk is saying. that doesn't tell me anything about fuji's alignment. sk's confidence against fuji can be easily sparked by tmi he has on him. fuji's responses to sk and prof today arent that great to help me look the other eay either imo. we always lynch SK before fuji, that we can atleast agree on. on the flip side, i've been scum reading fuji since day 1 in game 1 of faves. what sk is saying doesnt mean jack to me nor change my opinion on fuji. i've been having doubts about red faction numbers ever since NFC hard open scummed, and the message made those doubts stronger lol. the guy confirmed being MC of wheel of time lol.

we r working under incomplete information on purple/red compositions, but one thing that is clear from their roles and message is that red members started separately. i am a firm believer in the fact that if we keep yeeting scum daily regardless of their color we shud win, otherwise how is town ever winning this game without scum crossfire. i trust in nitty's balance so moving on

this my final opinion on this: take JW today. depending on his flip we decide to move on to NFC/SK

wipe both NFC/SK then we move on to fuji or whoever else in red PoE (karma, mich, TS). that shud be game. if iwan/hero still remain alive then there is likely 1 more purple still left or their death requires to be killed twice. we could try lynching one of them again 2 days from now.

if game still dont end then we hunt for indies at that point but ye

If you trust prof then you trust me its that simple here. My poe hasnt changed.

 

[Ratchet]

wipe both NFC/SK then we move on to fuji or whoever else in red PoE (karma, mich, TS). that shud be game

That's what I have been saying all day, yes.

 

[Ratchet]

My difference is SK going before NFC.

 

[SoulKiller]

how tf? this has to be a straight up lie

Michelle and Fuji are guilty, and fuji is straight up lying about his actions. Dude is scum along side Michelle, NFC, and probably karma is scum. Look at yesterday vote patterns, michelle and karma purposely avoided the wagon along with nfc and fuji thinks he is too slick he is deep wolfing lol.

I was surprised when I got guilty on both Michelle and fuji, I thought one could be scum and red can't have this much numbers.

 

[Badalight]

@Ekkologix Nitty seemed pretty clear that lynching would do jack shit against iwan and hero

 

[Ratchet]

Lind having a lot of vote power is the reason he was bumped up a bit by the way. Mitigation.

 

[SoulKiller]

Red felt quite desperate a few days ago, so I find it unlikely they have another 3 on top of having had Jojo/Owner/NFC all alive.

That's precisely what they wanted you to think, that they are low on numbers and pushed their own narrative down people throat to make them think purple have similar numbers, and I think that is very unlikely at this given point. If we go with JW he will most likely flip purple, I'll die this NP/DP and will flip town, multiple more people will die and you will be dealing with 4-5 red mafia with lower town numbers than today.

 

[Fujitora]

Lind barely bothered playing in Group 2, tried to use the rules as a shield, and hasn't done much here, yet me not just believing he's town is playing awful. You can save the "mate" bullshit, I'm using what I have to read him. His threadplay has been almost non existent. 4th in line after JW/SK/NFC/Michelle. Which might just be the last 4 scum in the game anyway. If we go through those and the game hasn't ended then yes slots like you and Lind are in play in my eyes.

Imagine playing two games back to back with no pause? You yourself didnt even bother reading group 1 and it shows so spare me the sanctimonious “ activity problems” Lind has showed lmfao. Everything can be solved if you would bother isoing or reading group 1 but you will never do that because you are half assing this game.

Your earlier poe from a few hours ago had karma and TS and no lind and now suddenly hes 4th in line, that is what Im questioning. Where is the progression? Is it because he vouched for me?

I asked you before what is it that makes you think Im red and you did not answer that question. You are being horribly hard to work with and its funny when literally last day phase you’ve been preaching that there is only one town and that we should work together yet here we are, me talking into dead ears.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Characters that were not MCs also flipped red, also Brain from pinky and the brain is an Mc and flipped town. Solving by flavor instead of threadplay is just retarded. Flavor helps but not when it contradicts threadplay. And I always said Nitty wouldn’t make it so black and white. Case in point, me.

You could be their traitor, like Didi was traitor for purple team?

 

[Fujitora]

Lind having a lot of vote power is the reason he was bumped up a bit by the way. Mitigation.

Lind has an ability that prevents vote tampering, that sound scummy to you ???

 

[Fujitora]

You could be their traitor, like Didi was traitor for purple team?

No I am just town.

 

[SoulKiller]

So Fuji redirected Soul to himself and that’s probably how Soul was marked with a super kill that’s most likely a purple mafia ability.

Soul was redirected to himself basically.

Sorry Lind, Fuji is playing you like a fiddle, dude is scummy and you about to be traumatized from the guy. Also, my cop abilities cannot be tampered with, I already stated that fuji did in fact hit me with a redirect in my final peace if you cared to read it, but he played himself. Also, fuji redirected me to Alibaba and not myself. I don't know what ability fuji used on you, but he is literally scum who can redirect and super kill people lol.

 

[SoulKiller]

It is deserved because your play is infuriating me right now, you are being awful in my eyes right now mate. You are playing like utter garbage when it comes to solving slots like lind for example, youre just ignoring him from the poe and suddenly hes like 4th in line and may need to be vigged. So yes, I will repeat again, what is wrong with you this game?

Imagine playing two games back to back with no pause? You yourself didnt even bother reading group 1 and it shows so spare me the sanctimonious “ activity problems” Lind has showed lmfao. Everything can be solved if you would bother isoing or reading group 1 but you will never do that because you are half assing this game.

Your earlier poe from a few hours ago had karma and TS and no lind and now suddenly hes 4th in line, that is what Im questioning. Where is the progression? Is it because he vouched for me?

I asked you before what is it that makes you think Im red and you did not answer that question. You are being horribly hard to work with and its funny when literally last day phase you’ve been preaching that there is only one town and that we should work together yet here we are, me talking into dead ears.

you really want to pocket lind that badly huh? lol

Anyways, how's your day been scum fuji?

 

[Ekkologix]

Yes, this is very tinfoily. I'm not sure what you mean by Tinky Winky having a hide ability? Nitty confirms via pm who you actually hit with your target. For example, when I targeted Iwan Nitty said "you hit Firestormer." Hence, I know for a fact that I hit Tinky after targeting Tinky because that's what Nitty said happened. I did not target someone else. What course of actions would lead to me targeting someone else but hitting Tinky? I'm not sure I follow the logic.

yes the tinfoil was that tinky has an ability to hide behind another player. he can hide behind anyone and u shoot tinky, making the kill go to that person, but it failed for some reason. this also could be what happened to didi as he shot tinky. if didi announced that tinky is getting shot, then scum will know to hide tinky with another player. why didn't they?

Also I didn't vote FS so I'm not sure where you got that from. I voted SinRaven precisely because I suspected the bussing thing, and I was right about both SR being scum and FS being likely town.

SR was hardcore outed that day. anyone not voting SR that day looks bad by default. this dont really mean much cuz u were forced to, specially when u had just voted with SR during the night and lynched odd so clearly u didnt have a prior scum read on him strong enough to make u avoid joining a wagon with him

I've also been sussing SK since literally day 1, and I was basically the first person to bring attention to JW. I also was a bring proponent of lynching hero and started the "no way town has 6 cops" things. My scumdar has been nearly perfect this game and my only mistake will be if Santi flips town.

yet you did not shoot SK, SR or JW. you shot players with some form of busdrives/redirects on.

I'm not giving an exact breakdown of my actions because it would reveal how everything I do works. It was something like this but also there were some mistakes in there on Nitty's part so some nights I didn't have an action and other nights I had more than normal.

Defensive action, Iwan, Iwan, TW, TW, JW, JW

That's basically what I've done in terms of night targets.

thats not good enough. ur gna have to full claim eventually. i dont buy that mafia leaves a claimed vig alive without messing with them. didi tried making the same argument and was indie/scum from purple PoV so they kept him alive. the shots on iwan/tinky could have both not landed on iwan/tinky. we dont even have any confirmation where the shot on JW went or if thats true or false. i do this play alot as scum where i bus drive my teammates or redirect my teammates with someone else then i shoot my teammate to have the shot go elsewhere. its actually pretty good play and thats just solving u mechanically, let aside u avoiding lynch pool multiple days and deliberately stating to harm town + doing something to interfere with fang's result on you when he said he would cop u

 

[Ratchet]

Imagine playing two games back to back with no pause? You yourself didnt even bother reading group 1 and it shows so spare me the sanctimonious “ activity problems” Lind has showed lmfao. Everything can be solved if you would bother isoing or reading group 1 but you will never do that because you are half assing this game.

I had more written up here, but I'm not going to waste my time retyping it. I have read several parts of G1, and I've put more into this game than most players, including you by the way if the last several cycles are evidence.

I just said why in regards to Lind. Read:

Lind having a lot of vote power is the reason he was bumped up a bit by the way. Mitigation.

With you telling me that I'm half assing this game, we're done talking. I will not give you the satisfaction of baiting me to anger.

 

[Kira Yagami]

[Vote Lynch John Wayne]

 

[Ratchet]

Imagine telling me I'm half assing when I'm one of the top posters both ore and post merge despite largely only having work commutes to play in. Total knob.

 

[SoulKiller]

some tinfoil been bothering me is if purple have bus drivers then badalight could have purposely bus drove iwan with firestormer then shot iwan so the kill purposely goes to firestormer, while all protects or w.e on firestormer go to iwan. a play i do alot as scum

the same can be done for tinky. tinky had a hider ability. if tinky was hiding behind someone that night and bada shot him, the kill will go to the person tinky was hiding behind, unless someone roleblocked tinky to stop the hider. then bada claimed the shot for town cred

the issue with this is he had no reason to out shooting iwan ahhh. in fact firestormer was heavily suspected so bada outing that information is what got attention from firestormer to iwan. bada still voted firestormer, and he realized he fked up so kept mentioning how the redirect could be one way not 2 ways (i.e not a busdrive). still saying anything about iwan is stupid asfk there

like i can see bada being scum, but not too sold on it after him outing iwan for no reason. the counter argument is iwan's death being delayed so outing him is free town cred. bada seemed super eager to out that he shot tinky, without considering tinky's hider possibility. its more town cred even if it was not intended. its weird that purple leaves a claimed vig do as he wish, similar to how didi was left. and bada's suspecting didi for doing the same things he did makes no sense from town PoV. he subconsciously knows its for town cred. if didi did it, why not bada. didi was town reading bada more than bada town reading didi.

purple PoE:
JW, sk, hero, iwan
if purple still dont end: bada/kira/santi

the message mentions 4 purple. 2 alive, 2 dying. and says that JW is a purple with flavor name gordon freeman. we can test the integrity of this first by yeeting JW. otherwise message can be ignored. altho i will say the message gave us really delicate role cop results that sounded much like what shizune would write in his roles lol, so if faked, the guy put lots of effort into it lmao. so far none of the players who were mentioned in it have denied it which might mean its true and karma/mich/TS are scum.


@Badalight @Santí can u guys full claim ur actions n1 to n8? like everything please

@Kira Yagami you too please

@SoulKiller whats ur purple PoE right now sk? ur just scum arent u m8. shame

@Karma @Traveling Swordsman @Mich @Admiral Fujitora you guys too

@Lind @Legend @Alwaysmind @Alibaba Saluja did u send the message? if u want us to push red for u come out clean imo. the message sender is a game 1 player whose been sending messages in that game as well. our game 2 sender was didi

can u guys also claim actions please

I am not scum, I am literally a dead townie, you will see my flip next DP. I think purple PoE is Bada/Kira/Sanji/Prof/You. Anyone of you can be scum at this point tbh.

But red mafia has to be taken care of, JW was the way to go until I saw that there are 2 confirmed scum with fuji and michelle and a possible scum in karma beside NFC. All red team avoided the wagon for today lynch for the exception of fuji who thought he was going under the radar.

I outed all the information I have since I am dying. You either let red escape and murder townies and literally throw the game away. Or try and reducing their numbers now. It's up to you guys really lol. I said my final peace.

 

[Badalight]

That's precisely what they wanted you to think, that they are low on numbers and pushed their own narrative down people throat to make them think purple have similar numbers, and I think that is very unlikely at this given point. If we go with JW he will most likely flip purple, I'll die this NP/DP and will flip town, multiple more people will die and you will be dealing with 4-5 red mafia with lower town numbers than today.

Who are you purple reads

Give them now

 

[Fujitora]

I had more written up here, but I'm not going to waste my time retyping it. I have read several parts of G1, and I've put more into this game than most players, including you by the way if the last several cycles are evidence.

If youve read group 1 then your read of me and Lind would be different so X for doubt here. Also yet another post where you avoid explaining to me what makes me a potential red in your eyes. You see my problem here? You claim to be on point yet you dont have any actual reason for me even being in that poe and then we have lind who you barely bothered solving and are using your confirmation bias to decide he’s indie. I read your interraction earlier in Group 2 and the man debunked every single argument you had but you just ignored it because it didnt fit your agenda.

I just said why in regards to Lind. Read:

With you telling me that I'm half assing this game, we're done talking. I will not give you the satisfaction of baiting me to anger.

I am not trying to bait you into anything, im trying to get you to open your godamn eyes.

 

[Fujitora]

Imagine telling me I'm half assing when I'm one of the top posters both ore and post merge despite largely only having work commutes to play in. Total knob.

And I will keep saying it , post count doesn’t mean shit, what matters is the contents of said post count.

 

[Ratchet]

If youve read group 1 then your read of me and Lind would be different so X for doubt here. Also yet another post where you avoid explaining to me what makes me a potential red in your eyes. You see my problem here? You claim to be on point yet you dont have any actual reason for me even being in that poe and then we have lind who you barely bothered solving and are using your confirmation bias to decide he’s indie. I read your interraction earlier in Group 2 and the man debunked every single argument you had but you just ignored it because it didnt fit your agenda.

I am not trying to bait you into anything, im trying to get you to open your godamn eyes.

You told me I'm half assing. I am done talking to you.

 

[SoulKiller]

Who are you purple reads

Give them now

Go reread my wallie mate. I also answered this question already multiple times, read the thread.

 

[Fujitora]

Lind has an ability that prevents vote tampering, that sound scummy to you ???

Did you miss that part btw Top 1 posted not half ass person @Ratchet

 

[Fujitora]

You told me I'm half assing. I am done talking to you.

Im so sowwy I hurt your wittle feewings.

 

[Saturday]

so is ratchet potentially scum, or am I misunderstanding this

 

[Ekkologix]

If youve read group 1 then your read of me and Lind would be different so X for doubt here. Also yet another post where you avoid explaining to me what makes me a potential red in your eyes. You see my problem here? You claim to be on point yet you dont have any actual reason for me even being in that poe and then we have lind who you barely bothered solving and are using your confirmation bias to decide he’s indie. I read your interraction earlier in Group 2 and the man debunked every single argument you had but you just ignored it because it didnt fit your agenda.

I am not trying to bait you into anything, im trying to get you to open your godamn eyes.

okay fuji if u r sooo good at hunting red why r u still alive lol

 

[Fujitora]

so is ratchet potentially scum, or am I misunderstanding this

He’s not, just being a goober right now.

 

[SoulKiller]

so is ratchet potentially scum, or am I misunderstanding this

Ratchet is confirmed townie, he is pretty much a ghost who can post etc.

 

[Ratchet]

Did you miss that part btw Top 1 posted not half ass person @Ratchet

Just stop talking to me. I never said that was scummy, I said his possible vote power means he could force an early endgame which is why resolving him is more important later on from a damage mitigation perspective. You've ensured there is no chance of us working together here so I intend to ignore you until the time comes to flip you, or the game ends.

 

[Ratchet]

Im so sowwy I hurt your wittle feewings.

You didn't really, I just find it hypocritical at best. I don't think anyone can accuse me of not putting time into this game.

 

[Ratchet]

so is ratchet potentially scum, or am I misunderstanding this

I died in G2. Night 1.

 

[Badalight]

yes the tinfoil was that tinky has an ability to hide behind another player. he can hide behind anyone and u shoot tinky, making the kill go to that person, but it failed for some reason. this also could be what happened to didi as he shot tinky. if didi announced that tinky is getting shot, then scum will know to hide tinky with another player. why didn't they?


SR was hardcore outed that day. anyone not voting SR that day looks bad by default. this dont really mean much cuz u were forced to, specially when u had just voted with SR during the night and lynched odd so clearly u didnt have a prior scum read on him strong enough to make u avoid joining a wagon with him


yet you did not shoot SK, SR or JW. you shot players with some form of busdrives/redirects on.


thats not good enough. ur gna have to full claim eventually. i dont buy that mafia leaves a claimed vig alive without messing with them. didi tried making the same argument and was indie/scum from purple PoV so they kept him alive. the shots on iwan/tinky could have both not landed on iwan/tinky. we dont even have any confirmation where the shot on JW went or if thats true or false. i do this play alot as scum where i bus drive my teammates or redirect my teammates with someone else then i shoot my teammate to have the shot go elsewhere. its actually pretty good play and thats just solving u mechanically, let aside u avoiding lynch pool multiple days and deliberately stating to harm town + doing something to interfere with fang's result on you when he said he would cop u

What do you mean the tinky kill failed? It did not fail. It succeeded.

SR was hardcore outed, you are correct. However, FS was also outed in the same way. People were split on who to vote for, and I was a big person leading to lynch SR over FS charge. It's possible it would have been SR regardless, but I definitely helped solidfy that with my information.

I didn't shoot SK, SR, or JW because I was busy shooting Iwan and Tinky Winky... and I DID shoot JW. I've targeted him twice now.

And they have not left me alone dude. They have targeted me multiple times. Like I said, I am going to be role crushed tonight and then die the night after. They are actively gunning for me.

Just accept that I have been playing a townie game this entire time and I've had great reads. It's hard to reconcile, I know.

(I'm also Didi cleared, fwiw)

I will full reveal before I die.

 

[Fujitora]

okay fuji if u r sooo good at hunting red why r u still alive lol

I mean the same can be said to you right? And I do believe prof told you to drop this line of questioning.

Real answer is:

Spoiler:

Secrets

, the less they know the better.

 

[Ekkologix]

The post is fake. My main ability is to redirect. Draekke and Legend can confirm this. There is no redirection in the post Professpr posted. Also mechanically it is impossible for me to be red. The Ancient redirected kill from Draekke to me. It is impossible for mafia to redirect kill to his/her fellow mafia. Thank goodness I had my redirection ability so I redirected that to my scum read Nfcnorth when I was in group 1.

is this confirmed?
even if the team is separated?

can sm1 from game 1 confirm this? gna ask nitty

this can clear TS atleast from the message

 

[Ekkologix]

I mean the same can be said to you right? And I do believe prof told you to drop this line of questioning.

Real answer is:

Spoiler:

Secrets

, the less they know the better.

i have like 3 healers on me fuji lol
ive been targeted by kills and kept getting healed

whats ur excuse?

nah fk that less they know the better. we need all info on table now.

sk claimed info agains u. what u gotta say about it. hes dirty liar yeah?

prove him wrong then

 

[Fujitora]

Just stop talking to me. I never said that was scummy, I said his possible vote power means he could force an early endgame which is why resolving him is more important later on from a damage mitigation perspective.

Lind has been only voting with the main wagons and listening to others as to who to votes, he mainly voted scum. And his ability prevents vote tampering on people who help him. That is in no fucking way a scum ability. The guy is town.

You've ensured there is no chance of us working together here

No, that would be you actually. I am open to it, you decided against it hours ago.

so I intend to ignore you until the time comes to flip you, or the game ends.

If you think I will allow you to flip me before we go through my poe you are sorely mistaken.

 

[Ratchet]

i have like 3 healers on me fuji lol
ive been targeted by kills and kept getting healed

whats ur excuse?

nah fk that less they know the better. we need all info on table now.

sk claimed info agains u. what u gotta say about it. hes dirty liar yeah?

prove him wrong then

We don't need to address this today because it is unlikely anything he says will change the consensus read on SK strongly enough to save him tonight. Ergo he should self resolve this cycle. If he flips town Fuji is outed, if he flips Scum we can talk about this more.

 

[SoulKiller]

I mean the same can be said to you right? And I do believe prof told you to drop this line of questioning.

Real answer is:

Spoiler:

Secrets

, the less they know the better.

You shot ekko N7 which you denied on doing so. You are scum fuji, stop trying hard to get on people good side lmao.

'Secrets' yea right lol.

 

[Fujitora]

i have like 3 healers on me fuji lol
ive been targeted by kills and kept getting healed

whats ur excuse?

Spoiler:

Ask prof

nah fk that less they know the better. we need all info on table now.

sk claimed info agains u. what u gotta say about it. hes dirty liar yeah?

prove him wrong then

I already did, did you miss my giant post? I even tagged you in it. And because they didnt know is how I caught SK red handed.

 

[Fujitora]

We don't need to address this today because it is unlikely anything he says will change the consensus read on SK strongly enough to save him tonight. Ergo he should self resolve this cycle. If he flips town Fuji is outed, if he flips Scum we can talk about this more.

I know for a fact that he attempted to kill Lind and tried to rc and redirect me. Im tempted to just lynch SK here and now but not gonna fight the majority over it.

 

[SoulKiller]

We don't need to address this today because it is unlikely anything he says will change the consensus read on SK strongly enough to save him tonight. Ergo he should self resolve this cycle. If he flips town Fuji is outed, if he flips Scum we can talk about this more.

If there is healer of any kind, then they should target me and save my life. You all about reducing townies causalities, but I know I am town regardless of what you read me. Having me around is better than having another dead townie eat the dust.

 

[Lind]

@Lind @Legend @Alwaysmind @Alibaba Saluja did u send the message? if u want us to push red for u come out clean imo. the message sender is a game 1 player whose been sending messages in that game as well. our game 2 sender was didi

I don’t have messaging abilities Ekko.

The post is fake. My main ability is to redirect. Draekke and Legend can confirm this. There is no redirection in the post Professpr posted. Also mechanically it is impossible for me to be red. The Ancient redirected kill from Draekke to me. It is impossible for mafia to redirect kill to his/her fellow mafia. Thank goodness I had my redirection ability so I redirected that to my scum read Nfcnorth when I was in group 1.

Draekke? The guy you wanted killed so badly is now you’re go to person after he died and flipped town to confirm your action? Lol.

You see, I have a theory about you red mafia. All of your roles revealed that you guys don’t have a scum chat, but can start PMs with a few others with some of your abilities.

It’s entirely possible that all of you knew only some of your members. That would explain your scummy plays and how you also managed to vote/bus each other in group 1.

Now I’m not really sure how true the message is, but I’m willing to trust it at this point to some point extent. And if it is true about the numbers, I’m kinda confident that all of you would have gotten only a few names each of your members. Like different names of each of your scum mates.

I think its high time we finally got rid of our lying alien @Lind

Unfortunately I’m just town and not lying lol.

The fact that sk is claiming i hit them with a kill, which i did, already disproves the role sheet they fed u since it had no kill

I mean you could have faction killed him.

By his own admission he has a lot of vp

Idk how long we can continue to ignore him

I can think i can hit him with my dinky kill tonight, but hell prolly tank that shit

Come on Karma. You know vote power isn’t relevant now with the king maker rule in place.

It is deserved because your play is infuriating me right now, you are being awful in my eyes right now mate. You are playing like utter garbage when it comes to solving slots like lind for example, youre just ignoring him from the poe and suddenly hes like 4th in line and may need to be vigged. So yes, I will repeat again, what is wrong with you this game?

It’s fine, don’t concern yourself with that too much Fuji. We’ll still hunt scum.

Sorry Lind, Fuji is playing you like a fiddle, dude is scummy and you about to be traumatized from the guy. Also, my cop abilities cannot be tampered with, I already stated that fuji did in fact hit me with a redirect in my final peace if you cared to read it, but he played himself. Also, fuji redirected me to Alibaba and not myself. I don't know what ability fuji used on you, but he is literally scum who can redirect and super kill people lol.

Nah, Soul. I trust Fuji completely. I know he can’t be with red mafia. He’s town.

 

[Ratchet]

If there is healer of any kind, then they should target me and save my life. You all about reducing townies causalities, but I know I am town regardless of what you read me. Having me around is better than having another dead townie eat the dust.

Hm? No, I think you're Scum, have said so for quite a while now. My point to Ekko is that getting into this nonsense argument with Fuji now has no benefit and only serves to sow confusion amongst those less engaged. I think you're pretty transparently scum and will genuinely be shocked if you're town, to the point where I would assume fake flip if it wasn't expressly stated they don't exist.

 

[Ratchet]

You see, I have a theory about you red mafia. All of your roles revealed that you guys don’t have a scum chat, but can start PMs with a few others with some of your abilities.

I think this is probably accurate. I can be talked into having the red PoE after NFC be Mich and TS.

 

[Ratchet]

You lose me on trusting the message though. There is no reason to do so.

 

[Fujitora]

Absolute waste of my time lmfao, @Ratchet sorry I went off on you like that. You’re doing your best and played to the best of the hand you were dealt.

Hope you forgive my vitriolic tone.

 

[SoulKiller]

I know for a fact that he attempted to kill Lind and tried to rc and redirect me. Im tempted to just lynch SK here and now but not gonna fight the majority over it.

Lmao, I outed my entire role man. I don't have a kill or a role crush. You are really reaching that far to try and save yourself? You tried redirecting me today YOURSELF! I don't know what you did to lind, but you just trying to pocket him mate. Too bad for you my cop investigate on you can not be tampered and you are caught. Also, why you wanna lynch me and speed up your death sentence? You will see my flip tomorrow.

Although you tried fuji, gotta give it to ya. But a filthy scum is always a filthy scum.

 

[Kira Yagami]

some tinfoil been bothering me is if purple have bus drivers then badalight could have purposely bus drove iwan with firestormer then shot iwan so the kill purposely goes to firestormer, while all protects or w.e on firestormer go to iwan. a play i do alot as scum

the same can be done for tinky. tinky had a hider ability. if tinky was hiding behind someone that night and bada shot him, the kill will go to the person tinky was hiding behind, unless someone roleblocked tinky to stop the hider. then bada claimed the shot for town cred

the issue with this is he had no reason to out shooting iwan ahhh. in fact firestormer was heavily suspected so bada outing that information is what got attention from firestormer to iwan. bada still voted firestormer, and he realized he fked up so kept mentioning how the redirect could be one way not 2 ways (i.e not a busdrive). still saying anything about iwan is stupid asfk there

like i can see bada being scum, but not too sold on it after him outing iwan for no reason. the counter argument is iwan's death being delayed so outing him is free town cred. bada seemed super eager to out that he shot tinky, without considering tinky's hider possibility. its more town cred even if it was not intended. its weird that purple leaves a claimed vig do as he wish, similar to how didi was left. and bada's suspecting didi for doing the same things he did makes no sense from town PoV. he subconsciously knows its for town cred. if didi did it, why not bada. didi was town reading bada more than bada town reading didi.

purple PoE:
JW, sk, hero, iwan
if purple still dont end: bada/kira/santi

the message mentions 4 purple. 2 alive, 2 dying. and says that JW is a purple with flavor name gordon freeman. we can test the integrity of this first by yeeting JW. otherwise message can be ignored. altho i will say the message gave us really delicate role cop results that sounded much like what shizune would write in his roles lol, so if faked, the guy put lots of effort into it lmao. so far none of the players who were mentioned in it have denied it which might mean its true and karma/mich/TS are scum.


@Badalight @Santí can u guys full claim ur actions n1 to n8? like everything please

@Kira Yagami you too please

@SoulKiller whats ur purple PoE right now sk? ur just scum arent u m8. shame

@Karma @Traveling Swordsman @Mich @Admiral Fujitora you guys too

@Lind @Legend @Alwaysmind @Alibaba Saluja did u send the message? if u want us to push red for u come out clean imo. the message sender is a game 1 player whose been sending messages in that game as well. our game 2 sender was didi

can u guys also claim actions please

N3: rolecrush on worm Juice which failed

After the merge
N1: Rolecrushed John Wayne
N2: Rolecrushed Owner
N3: Rolecrushed nfcnorth but ive been blocked last night


I have another ability but its been pretty useless thanks to vigs incompetence this game

 

[SoulKiller]

Nah, Soul. I trust Fuji completely. I know he can’t be with red mafia. He’s town.

Damn, he pocketed you that badly huh? Tell me Lind, what will you do when he flips scum? and I know he is red mafia.

 

[青月光]

Don't argue pls

 

[青月光]

If there's one thing I miss in NF it's the emotes

 

[Ekkologix]

What do you mean the tinky kill failed? It did not fail. It succeeded.

the tinky hider is what failed, allowing kill to succeed. the plan was for tinky to hide behind someone so ur kill goes there, yeah? but that failed cuz sm1 fooked up with tinky

SR was hardcore outed, you are correct. However, FS was also outed in the same way. People were split on who to vote for, and I was a big person leading to lynch SR over FS charge. It's possible it would have been SR regardless, but I definitely helped solidfy that with my information.

what information ur talking about. pretty sure sin got lynched with 0 info from u about him

I didn't shoot SK, SR, or JW because I was busy shooting Iwan and Tinky Winky... and I DID shoot JW. I've targeted him twice now.

yes thats my point r u playing dumb? both targets u shot had some form of redirections/bus drive. im questioning the true motive behind the shot. u scum read players but shoot others that r lower in ur PoE

And they have not left me alone dude. They have targeted me multiple times. Like I said, I am going to be role crushed tonight and then die the night after. They are actively gunning for me.

Just accept that I have been playing a townie game this entire time and I've had great reads. It's hard to reconcile, I know.

(I'm also Didi cleared, fwiw)

I will full reveal before I die.

you can full reveal now. i doubt there r healers left.
talk about the immunities u claimed too, and the ability thats similar to xadlin's that u hinted day 2

 

[Traveling Swordsman]

Draekke? The guy you wanted killed so badly is now you’re go to person after he died and flipped town to confirm your action? Lol.

Just because I have personal vendetta against certain player I can't mention his name? You are a noob player so it makes sense why you think that way. Try to be a professional at once.

That would explain your scummy plays and how you also managed to vote/bus each other in group 1.

You said this since day 1 since this post is pointless

 

[Ratchet]

Absolute waste of my time lmfao, @Ratchet sorry I went off on you like that. You’re doing your best and played to the best of the hand you were dealt.

Hope you forgive my vitriolic tone.

You can keep the tone, it's whatever. Remember that while you guys have your roles to discern things here, I only have myself and the thread. I am the player with the highest degree of ignorance here from an informational standpoint because I didn't get anything mechanically at any point in the game.

I out'd the other game because I'm too busy both this week and next and maybe the week after that. This just reminded me, I was going to out regardless if it didn't start by Thursday.

 

[Kira Yagami]

I think this is probably accurate. I can be talked into having the red PoE after NFC be Mich and TS.

Why mich? PoE?

 

[Fujitora]

@Ratchet Saying sorry again mate, dont wanna have bad blood with a bud over a forum game. Im truly sorry and I know you out in effort into the game.

 

[Ratchet]

Why mich? PoE?

Yes. When Jojo and NFC were hard pushing for Prof to be lynched, Mich was right there with them, pushing the same thing. I don't think we can ignore that, her reduced activity today post-Owner flip works against her too. I will not say she's confirmed scum, but after NFC North who we know is Red, she is one of the most likely to be partnered with him due to the above in my view.