Game Favorites '22 - THE FINALS (purple mafia wins!)

[Ekkologix]

> plays 70 player favorites game
> complains about scum using mechanics to their advantage

then proceeds to call such scum delusional

 

[Ekkologix]

okay im sorry i feel bad

really i dont

maybe a lil bit

but im kekmalding so fook off

 

[Draekke]

Can you stop defend your poor play by blaming the host?

Let's end this, you won't change my opinion about you, your team and the way you won the game no matter what you explain about the game mechanics.

@Mich - I understand where you’re coming from, but I think your frustration is misplaced. Ekko wanted to do something, the mod allowed it. I don’t see how you can be SO upset at a player trying to use something to their advantage when the host agrees.

> plays 70 player favorites game
> complains about scum using mechanics to their advantage

then proceeds to call such scum delusional

That being said, Ekko - fucking admit it was a bit of a lame duck move, host allowing it or not. You won, what’s the harm in owning up to it? Your superiority complex is showing.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Congrats to the winners @Ekkologix @SoulKiller rest of Purple,

Thanks for the game @Shizune and the help @Kvothe Kingkiller. I wasn't able to give my best due to playing other games and dying early, i hope to see another game hosted by you soon.

 

[青月光]

Thanky fory they gamey

 

[Alwaysmind]

> plays 70 player favorites game
> complains about scum using mechanics to their advantage

then proceeds to call such scum delusional

 

[Alwaysmind]

the major reason purple won was that townie destroyed the red mafia team for y’a.

 

[Ekkologix]

@Mich - I understand where you’re coming from, but I think your frustration is misplaced. Ekko wanted to do something, the mod allowed it. I don’t see how you can be SO upset at a player trying to use something to their advantage when the host agrees.


That being said, Ekko - fucking admit it was a bit of a lame duck move, host allowing it or not. You won, what’s the harm in owning up to it? Your superiority complex is showing.

tbh i think it was more lazy than lame
could of just paraphrased the roles in the message if i knew it wud piss off ppl like this
dont think it makes difference tho. i can guarantee outcome is same

as a backup we also have hero/iwan/JW in thread who can paraphrase the roles there incase prof died


yall can feel free to argue how paraphrasing vs posting the full roles will change the outcome instead of aimlessly nitpick at it imo

 

[Draekke]

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tbh i think it was more lazy than lame
could of just paraphrased the roles in the message if i knew it wud piss off ppl like this
dont think it makes difference tho. i can guarantee outcome is same

as a backup we also have hero/iwan/JW in thread who can paraphrase the roles there incase prof died


yall can feel free to argue how paraphrasing vs posting the full roles will change the outcome instead of aimlessly nitpick at it imo

if you were in the discord chat you would see that I actually agree with you regarding the outcome, and how paraphrasing and formatting are allowed, so really it doesn’t make a ton of difference.

That being said, the OP rules clearly state you aren’t to copy/paste anything from your PM with the mod, and that things should be paraphrased, not word for word. So you know it wasn’t right, which is what some people are arguing about. There’s a little bit of extra “host confirmed” business going on when you do that.

I for one think that people should just assume that everything inside of a mafia game should be taken with a grain of salt, so it shouldn’t really matter, but when there’s a stated rule that is also a general rule of mafia, at least be understanding of why some people are upset.

 

[Draekke]

tbh i think it was more lazy than lame
could of just paraphrased the roles in the message if i knew it wud piss off ppl like this
dont think it makes difference tho. i can guarantee outcome is same

as a backup we also have hero/iwan/JW in thread who can paraphrase the roles there incase prof died


yall can feel free to argue how paraphrasing vs posting the full roles will change the outcome instead of aimlessly nitpick at it imo

Remember my first message in here after the game was over was complimenting your game. I just don’t think it’s necessary the way you’re carrying about as if nothing was hinky, and that Mich and some others are just mad for no reason.

 

[Ekkologix]

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if you were in the discord chat you would see that I actually agree with you regarding the outcome, and how paraphrasing and formatting are allowed, so really it doesn’t make a ton of difference.

That being said, the OP rules clearly state you aren’t to copy/paste anything from your PM with the mod, and that things should be paraphrased, not word for word. So you know it wasn’t right, which is what some people are arguing about. There’s a little bit of extra “host confirmed” business going on when you do that.

I for one think that people should just assume that everything inside of a mafia game should be taken with a grain of salt, so it shouldn’t really matter, but when there’s a stated rule that is also a general rule of mafia, at least be understanding of why some people are upset.

im not on the disc chat i just see ppl complaining about it here like i broke rules or w.e or unhappy about mafia using mechanics in a favs game. every host is different. nitty allowed it. this shud end the discussion actually and ppl r just arguing over nothing

buuut i shuda just paraphrased it to save myself the headache if i knew this happens

i disagree with that notion btw. there r abilities even originated from semi-vanilla roles where an investigative result can be sent to another player. think of it like we r sending an investigative result via a message.

this whole argument is pretty useless tbh

i was lazy yeah. instead of paraphrasing i just send the roles. i will admit this. anything beyond that rly idk what to tell u guys

 

[Draekke]

im not on the disc chat i just see ppl complaining about it here like i broke rules or w.e or unhappy about mafia using mechanics in a favs game. every host is different. nitty allowed it. this shud end the discussion actually and ppl r just arguing over nothing

buuut i shuda just paraphrased it to save myself the headache if i knew this happens

i disagree with that notion btw. there r abilities even originated from semi-vanilla roles where an investigative result can be sent to another player. think of it like we r sending an investigative result via a message.

this whole argument is pretty useless tbh

i was lazy yeah. instead of paraphrasing i just send the roles. i will admit this. anything beyond that rly idk what to tell u guys

Yes but those roles that allow invest results sent via mod isn’t you creating the message to send. And so thus isn’t breaking the rule.

like I said, I don’t think it was a game breaking thing, just wanted to get you to understand why people are upset, and that maybe stop acting all high and mighty lol. You played well, and some of the complaints are valid, but not worth anything aside from a reminder to not do that again. Especially with all the anecdotal evidence supplied by a few others that heavily implies that you’d be hella fucking upset if this was reversed and you were outed in the same way.

 

[Ekkologix]

Remember my first message in here after the game was over was complimenting your game. I just don’t think it’s necessary the way you’re carrying about as if nothing was hinky, and that Mich and some others are just mad for no reason.

i feel like they r mad for wrong reason
and i dont wanna hear anything from red tbh, i got tilted as is after seeing their roles

Yes but those roles that allow invest results sent via mod isn’t you creating the message to send. And so thus isn’t breaking the rule.

like I said, I don’t think it was a game breaking thing, just wanted to get you to understand why people are upset, and that maybe stop acting all high and mighty lol. You played well, and some of the complaints are valid, but not worth anything aside from a reminder to not do that again. Especially with all the anecdotal evidence supplied by a few others that heavily implies that you’d be hella fucking upset if this was reversed and you were outed in the same way.

lets establish this here so we dont talk about it again. if rules were broken, host would of stopped me. now we r done with this part. anyone still bringing it up has nothing better to talk about can just shut up tbh

its already happened to me b4, rivaling mafia used unstoppable results on me and all that stuff. one thing i never complained about is if they arent breaking the rules and its fair game. like its very annoying to be outed by enemy mafia yes, but nothing to where id grill them over it post game. id probs just call them cowards tho yeah

the games i complain about the most usually end up in loopholes being abused and just wasting everyones time over nothing.

you know i was not and am not acting high and mighty but if people wanna be pissy about this i really dont care. i gave them my reasoning from my PoV, whether they believe that or not is up to them. the more they keep complaining about the semantics of it the better i feel about it now cuz i just reached a point where i dont care

now if they wanna argue over how the outcome wuda changed then id love to have the argument with them. otherwise their argument is a waste of time

and ppl need to stop assuming my intentions or what i will get mad or not about. they dont know me as half as they think they do

 

[Ekkologix]

@Draekke u and @AndrewGreve had a good game. i dont wanna ruin that for u post game and leave a bad taste. ggs m8s

 

[Draekke]

i feel like they r mad for wrong reason
and i dont wanna hear anything from red tbh, i got tilted as is after seeing their roles


lets establish this here so we dont talk about it again. if rules were broken, host would of stopped me. now we r done with this part. anyone still bringing it up has nothing better to talk about can just shut up tbh

its already happened to me b4, rivaling mafia used unstoppable results on me and all that stuff. one thing i never complained about is if they arent breaking the rules and its fair game. like its very annoying to be outed by enemy mafia yes, but nothing to where id grill them over it post game. id probs just call them cowards tho yeah

the games i complain about the most usually end up in loopholes being abused and just wasting everyones time over nothing.

you know i was not and am not acting high and mighty but if people wanna be pissy about this i really dont care. i gave them my reasoning from my PoV, whether they believe that or not is up to them. the more they keep complaining about the semantics of it the better i feel about it now cuz i just reached a point where i dont care

now if they wanna argue over how the outcome wuda changed then id love to have the argument with them. otherwise their argument is a waste of time

and ppl need to stop assuming my intentions or what i will get mad or not about. they dont know me as half as they think they do

If your argument about breaking a rule is that nothing would have changed if you did it differently, then that’s not a very good argument.

if you murder someone with stage 4 cancer, it’s still murder regardless that they would have died anyway. Extreme example, but your argument is flawed.

 

[Draekke]

@Draekke u and @AndrewGreve had a good game. i dont wanna ruin that for u post game and leave a bad taste. ggs m8s

Fair enough, I’ll drop it now too. GG

 

[Ekkologix]

If your argument about breaking a rule is that nothing would have changed if you did it differently, then that’s not a very good argument.

if you murder someone with stage 4 cancer, it’s still murder regardless that they would have died anyway. Extreme example, but your argument is flawed.

no my argument is that i did not break a rule. otherwise host would of stopped it lol.

 

[Shizune]

yknow, people find something to be upset about in every game

it’s not always worth a response lol

 

[Shizune]

@Ekkologix You didn't do anything wrong, all you did was play within the rules I gave. If people are upset about what happened, they need to be upset with me/the rules, not with you.

 

[Shizune]

I understand why people are divided about whether I should have allowed that or not, but at the end of the day, it didn't make that big of a difference. There would have been very little functional difference between Usopp copying everyones' roles over like he did, and just summarizing/paraphrasing them. The effect is the same either way, the red mafia team is outed. So I understand the disagreement, but I think it's receiving an undue amount of attention because it had very little impact on the game. And it certainly shouldn't be used to try and tarnish Ekko's hard-earned win.

 

[AndrewGreve]

the major reason purple won was that townie destroyed the red mafia team for y’a.

Main reason purple won was because red killed me. I had ekko locked in and by the merge I would have evolved so many abilities I wouldn't even need the lynch to get him. Then prof would be free and game would be locked

 

[Draekke]

I understand why people are divided about whether I should have allowed that or not, but at the end of the day, it didn't make that big of a difference. There would have been very little functional difference between Usopp copying everyones' roles over like he did, and just summarizing/paraphrasing them. The effect is the same either way, the red mafia team is outed. So I understand the disagreement, but I think it's receiving an undue amount of attention because it had very little impact on the game. And it certainly shouldn't be used to try and tarnish Ekko's hard-earned win.

So then why not remove that rule? Imo everything said in a mafia game should be suspect anyway, so having that rule just allows people to be upset, no?

 

[Draekke]

I don’t remember who brought it up, but truth metas are worse than copy pasting role invests.

 

[Shizune]

So then why not remove that rule? Imo everything said in a mafia game should be suspect anyway, so having that rule just allows people to be upset, no?

The rule you're referencing doesn't apply to this situation. I can see how the wording might be confusing, but:

Do not screenshot or quote your private messages from the moderator. References to the text of your role PM must be paraphrased, not repeated word-for-word.

This refers to your role PM, as in your own role that I sent you. You can't quote that. Messages you're sent or roles you investigate don't fall under this rule and can be quoted, because they're unreliable (see Usopp posting Fuji's fake role instead of his real one).

 

[Didi]

i feel like they r mad for wrong reason
and i dont wanna hear anything from red tbh, i got tilted as is after seeing their roles


lets establish this here so we dont talk about it again. if rules were broken, host would of stopped me. now we r done with this part. anyone still bringing it up has nothing better to talk about can just shut up tbh

its already happened to me b4, rivaling mafia used unstoppable results on me and all that stuff. one thing i never complained about is if they arent breaking the rules and its fair game. like its very annoying to be outed by enemy mafia yes, but nothing to where id grill them over it post game. id probs just call them cowards tho yeah

the games i complain about the most usually end up in loopholes being abused and just wasting everyones time over nothing.

you know i was not and am not acting high and mighty but if people wanna be pissy about this i really dont care. i gave them my reasoning from my PoV, whether they believe that or not is up to them. the more they keep complaining about the semantics of it the better i feel about it now cuz i just reached a point where i dont care

now if they wanna argue over how the outcome wuda changed then id love to have the argument with them. otherwise their argument is a waste of time

and ppl need to stop assuming my intentions or what i will get mad or not about. they dont know me as half as they think they do

I feel like they are mad for the wrong reason, and I don't want to hear anything from red to be honest; I got tilted as if after seeing their roles

Let's establish this here so we don't talk about it again: if rules were broken, the host would have stopped me. Now we are done with this part. Anyone still bringing it up has nothing better to talk about so they can just shut up to be honest.

It's already happened to me before, rivaling mafia used unstoppable results on me and all that stuff. One thing I never complained about is if they aren't breaking the rules and it's fair game. Like, it's very annoying to be outed by enemy mafia yes, but nothing to where I'd grill them over it post-game. I'd probably just call them cowards though yeah.

The games I complain about the most usually end up in loopholes being abused and just wasting everyone's time over nothing.

You know I was not and am not acting high and mighty but if people want to be pissy about this I really don't care. I gave them my reasoning from my point of view; whether they believe that or not is up to them. The more they keep complaining about the semantics of it, the better I feel about it now because I just reached a point where I don't care.

Now if they want to argue over how the outcome would've changed, then I'd love to have the argument with them. Otherwise their argument is a waste of time.

And people need to stop assuming my intentions or what I will get mad about or not. They don't know me half as well as they think they do.





Here you go buddy, I made your post readable

 

[Draekke]

The rule you're referencing doesn't apply to this situation. I can see how the wording might be confusing, but:



This refers to your role PM, as in your own role that I sent you. You can't quote that. Messages you're sent or roles you investigate don't fall under this rule and can be quoted, because they're unreliable (see Usopp posting Fuji's fake role instead of his real one).

I read that rule as not being able to copy paste anything said in your role PM. Is this not correct?

 

[Didi]

I understand why people are divided about whether I should have allowed that or not, but at the end of the day, it didn't make that big of a difference. There would have been very little functional difference between Usopp copying everyones' roles over like he did, and just summarizing/paraphrasing them. The effect is the same either way, the red mafia team is outed. So I understand the disagreement, but I think it's receiving an undue amount of attention because it had very little impact on the game. And it certainly shouldn't be used to try and tarnish Ekko's hard-earned win.

How did he get that info by the way?
If it was by a peek at red scummessages it's lame, but if it was just by rolecopping them it's okay.

 

[Shizune]

Also, I'm working a long graveyard shift tonight so I'll have plenty of time then to add people to the dead chat, post the remaining roles, and review some of the mechanics in this game.

I'm sorry for being overly confrontational/defensive last night, I just got frustrated because it really has been a month straight of having to constantly answer complaints or defend myself against accusations of misbalancing. So at a certain point I was just like, I'm not in the mood for this, I don't wanna take this anymore, I'm gonna shut everyone up, what do they know about making games anyway? And that's not the right approach, especially since as Draekke pointed out I asked for feedback, I was just being emotional in the moment.

 

[Draekke]

I read that rule as not being able to copy paste anything said in your role PM. Is this not correct?

Because we definitely need to re-word that rule if not.

 

[Didi]

I just got frustrated because it really has been a month straight of having to constantly answer complaints or defend myself against accusations of misbalancing

lmao welcome to favourites
this happens to every host
I don't blame you
it can be very draining

 

[Shizune]

I read that rule as not being able to copy paste anything said in your role PM. Is this not correct?

This is getting into really sticky territory. The point of the rules is, you can't quote things I personally mod confirmed to you, such as your own role. Role cop results are not reliable or mod confirmed, and therefore I allowed them to be quoted. I understand why some people feel that was the wrong decision on my part, but I want to remind everyone it didn't really matter either way this game and the same things would probably have happened regardless of my decision.

How did he get that info by the way?
If it was by a peek at red scummessages it's lame, but if it was just by rolecopping them it's okay.

They had a role cop.

 

[Draekke]

Also, I'm working a long graveyard shift tonight so I'll have plenty of time then to add people to the dead chat, post the remaining roles, and review some of the mechanics in this game.

I'm sorry for being overly confrontational/defensive last night, I just got frustrated because it really has been a month straight of having to constantly answer complaints or defend myself against accusations of misbalancing. So at a certain point I was just like, I'm not in the mood for this, I don't wanna take this anymore, I'm gonna shut everyone up, what do they know about making games anyway? And that's not the right approach, especially since as Draekke pointed out I asked for feedback, I was just being emotional in the moment.

 

[AndrewGreve]

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if you were in the discord chat you would see that I actually agree with you regarding the outcome, and how paraphrasing and formatting are allowed, so really it doesn’t make a ton of difference.

That being said, the OP rules clearly state you aren’t to copy/paste anything from your PM with the mod, and that things should be paraphrased, not word for word. So you know it wasn’t right, which is what some people are arguing about. There’s a little bit of extra “host confirmed” business going on when you do that.

I for one think that people should just assume that everything inside of a mafia game should be taken with a grain of salt, so it shouldn’t really matter, but when there’s a stated rule that is also a general rule of mafia, at least be understanding of why some people are upset.

The reasons for the general ban on quoting pms or private chats word for word are to prevent angle shooting. Similar to trust tells, you could try to catch scum by demanding a player quote their town pm word for word.

Another reason in mashes is that often closed set ups are impossible to balance around mass claims. mass claims just auto win for town a lot.

And finally if you can post pms then scum will be obliged to make fake PMs to provide when thread demands it. Which sounds tedious, and when we can't even get players to not afk, means lazy town get free clears and lazy scum just die.

Most of the anti pm stuff is to protect scum. Most sites have it as a primary rule similar to trust tells to keep the game playable.

I don't have any idea what happened in this game but I can say @Mich plays in communities that have a very strict rule on PMs and players not following it is a big deal there.

 

[Draekke]

This is getting into really sticky territory. The point of the rules is, you can't quote things I personally mod confirmed to you, such as your own role. Role cop results are not reliable or mod confirmed, and therefore I allowed them to be quoted. I understand why some people feel that was the wrong decision on my part, but I want to remind everyone it didn't really matter either way this game and the same things would probably have happened regardless of my decision.



They had a role cop.

Ok fair enough then. If I’m going off the wrong intent of the rule, then completely ignore my point about it.

 

[Shizune]

lmao welcome to favourites
this happens to every host
I don't blame you
it can be very draining

I just feel strongly that this was the smoothest, most successful Favorites we've probably ever had, so if you weren't happy with this game, you will never be happy with Favorites as a format

 

[Didi]

This is getting into really sticky territory. The point of the rules is, you can't quote things I personally mod confirmed to you, such as your own role. Role cop results are not reliable or mod confirmed, and therefore I allowed them to be quoted. I understand why some people feel that was the wrong decision on my part, but I want to remind everyone it didn't really matter either way this game and the same things would probably have happened regardless of my decision.



They had a role cop.

And they rolecopped like all of red's team? Damn

 

[Shizune]

I would have preferred you used this emoji:

 

[Shizune]

And they rolecopped like all of red's team? Damn

It was a really effective role cop. One of the advantages I gave purple over red was that purple had a stronger role cop. This felt appropriate because it played into purple's advantage of being able to share and utilize info with each other. Red's only role cop was @JoJo , and he was first and foremost a roleblocker, his role copping was secondary to his role and pretty slow to use.

 

[Draekke]

I would have preferred you used this emoji:

 

[AndrewGreve]

Gg

@Draekke u and @AndrewGreve had a good game. i dont wanna ruin that for u post game and leave a bad taste. ggs m8s

Gg ekko


As an aside mich is a friend and generally not toxic. This whole thing is very much clashing mafia cultures.

I would say on other sites quoting pms is considered unethical. So that is where the emotion in her reaction is coming from.

 

[Didi]

I just feel strongly that this was the smoothest, most successful Favorites we've probably ever had, so if you weren't happy with this game, you will never be happy with Favorites as a format

I was very happy with this game!

Don't go sticking feathers too high up your butt though lol immediately claiming superlatives like that

There's so many good editions of favs that I can't pick the most smooth edition easily
probably Law's (6? 8?) for most smooth I'd say, that was a very tightly run game

and my fav fav (ayyy) was the one by iwan (8? 9?) because while it was a pain in the ass to have every role be a goddamn novel, my mafia team had a very satisfying win there and my godfather role was just so goddamn cool with so many cool synergies and stuff to pull off
but that's personal bias of course due to the circumstances

 

[JoJo]

It was a really effective role cop. One of the advantages I gave purple over red was that purple had a stronger role cop. This felt appropriate because it played into purple's advantage of being able to share and utilize info with each other. Red's only role cop was @JoJo , and he was first and foremost a roleblocker, his role copping was secondary to his role and pretty slow to use.

tbh my only complaint

3ish cycles role cop

 

[AndrewGreve]

I feel like they are mad for the wrong reason, and I don't want to hear anything from red to be honest; I got tilted as if after seeing their roles

This is tough to read, not sure what you meant

 

[Shizune]

I was very happy with this game!

Don't go sticking feathers too high up your butt though lol immediately claiming superlatives like that

There's so many good editions of favs that I can't pick the most smooth edition easily
probably Law's (6? 8?) for most smooth I'd say, that was a very tightly run game

and my fav fav (ayyy) was the one by iwan (8? 9?) because while it was a pain in the ass to have every role be a goddamn novel, my mafia team had a very satisfying win there and my godfather role was just so goddamn cool with so many cool synergies and stuff to pull off
but that's personal bias of course due to the circumstances

I don't remember Favorites 6, but I wasn't very impressed with Favorites 8. 8 had a big problem where every role and ability appeared in writeups for no good reason, quickly leading to people just playing around those role claims. Ratchet said this Favorites was the best about actually letting everyone play mafia, and for me that's the problem with 8, it kind of degenerated into mass claims/people trying to prove themselves through writeups so it became hard to actually play mafia.

 

[Lord Melkor]

@Ekkologix where did you post your role?

 

[Shizune]

tbh my only complaint

3ish cycles role cop

Your team was supposed to work at an information disadvantage compared to purple. This is an extremely prevalent theme in every way, down to purple knowing their traitor while you all didn't.

 

[Shizune]

Gg

Gg ekko


As an aside mich is a friend and generally not toxic. This whole thing is very much clashing mafia cultures.

I would say on other sites quoting pms is considered unethical. So that is where the emotion in her reaction is coming from.

I agree. I think Mich is wrong in the context of NF/Worstgen mafia, but right in most other contexts. I would normally be offended by her insistence that this was a bastard game, but again, she would be right anywhere else.

I tried explaining this in the dead chat, but we play an extremely specific and niche genre of mafia here, and mafia is already a loosely defined game.

 

[JoJo]

Your team was supposed to work at an information disadvantage compared to purple. This is an extremely prevalent theme in every way, down to purple knowing their traitor while you all didn't.

mfer i didnt ask

4.5 phases to role cope

 

[Shizune]

mfer i didnt ask

4.5 phases to role cope

You better be glad you even had a role cop, you were the strongest roleblocker in the game by a huge margin

 

[Didi]

can't believe Jojo had to spend 6 phases just to get a single rolecop result

 

[JoJo]

can't believe Jojo had to spend 6 phases just to get a single rolecop result

and i had to wait for someone target me as well

unless i used my two shot

 

[Shizune]

To be clear JoJo is exaggerating, he received a lot of results this game

 

[AndrewGreve]

can't believe Jojo had to spend 6 phases just to get a single rolecop result

He actually quoted his role pm to me during the game and it said verbatim "you learn 1 role after game has ended"

Nitty sent Jojo his own role when purple won.

 

[Didi]

truly a plight that Jojo had to go through, waiting 8 phases for a 50/50 naive/paranoid rolecop result


Imagine having to wait 10 phases for the host just to tell you go to 'go fuck yourself ACAB', what a role

 

[JoJo]

cant believe i have to wait for next game to get my results

 

[Didi]

...fuck now I really want to create an ACAB game where the Cop thinks he's a cop but actually he's a vig who shoots all his night targets

 

[JoJo]

thankfully ill have my flash for next game too

 

[Didi]

thankfully ill have my flash for next game too

okay Doublelift

 

[JoJo]

also

>not a bastard game
>i had a secret passive where if i was voted kingmaker while dead i would come back to life

nice cope

 

[Shizune]

^ Jojo when he makes up some BS

 

[Didi]

I feel you Jojo. Nitty told me that I have a secret passive where if I got lynched then at the start of next favs it will be announced I actually won this one.

Feels good to be a secret winner

 

[JoJo]

^ Jojo when he makes up some BS

yes im mentally ill, is this a problem?

 

[Shizune]

yes im mentally ill, is this a problem?

No, it’s a prerequisite to playing mafia actually

 

[Mich]

@Mich - I understand where you’re coming from

 

[nfcnorth]

tbh you should've just open scummed from the start. That's what I did in faves 3 when I was lynch immune and I got town to waste 4 lynches on me - then I lead town to kill the opposing mafia factions.

I mean my role is strong defensively but I do think its foolish of me if I were to think there is not some bs that can get rid of me. Like some other role that can force execute someone. Which is why I held off

 

[Shizune]

Hey I don't know if you saw my post, but I get it too.

 

[青月光]

Things got spicy here

 

[nfcnorth]

Also for me personally I think red was going to have a tough time regardless of the role reveals. My issue with that whole situation is less to do with the game itself and more to do with aspects outside of it being within the rules or not. Lets look at it from a town perspective is it really that interesting for me as a townie if someone goes hey here is an entire scum faction and what they can do in as much detail as possible? Honestly I think most townies would find that a boring way to win. Obviously the desire to win is still there but it wouldn't be as satisfying as other ways to win imo.

Not trying to say you can't use the knowledge you gain from abilties and keep it to yourself but I do think that presentation can go a long way in making it fun for both you and others.

 

[Shizune]

Also for me personally I think red was going to have a tough time regardless of the role reveals. My issue with that whole situation is less to do with the game itself and more to do with aspects outside of it being within the rules or not. Lets look at it from a town perspective is it really that interesting for me as a townie if someone goes hey here is an entire scum faction and what they can do in as much detail as possible? Honestly I think most townies would find that a boring way to win. Obviously the desire to win is still there but it wouldn't be as satisfying as other ways to win imo.

Not trying to say you can't use the knowledge you gain from abilties and keep it to yourself but I do think that presentation can go a long way in making it fun for both you and others.

Okay, so something I feel is being really overlooked here is that Owner went after Usopp first in her final posts, and as I recall, she fully used all the TMI at her disposal to do so

I believe if the red team copped any of purple's roles, they would have used it against them

 

[nfcnorth]

Okay, so something I feel is being really overlooked here is that Owner went after Usopp first in her final posts, and as I recall, she fully used all the TMI at her disposal to do so

I believe if the red team copped any of purple's roles, they would have used it against them

Oh I am not denying that we would use copped info against purple. Heck I was even trying to say that we would in the last post. I just think that if Ekko did the exact same thing but made it feel less like a copy and paste (even though he had to paraphrase) I don't think we would be having this discussion tbh and people would be more willing to let it go. Its one of the situations where presentation matters imo. It something I am trying to be more conscious of personally because this is a game after all.

And having drproffesor involved in it as a non-teammate also might rub people the wrong way.

 

[nfcnorth]

Also just saying he probably could have got more use out of it. If he framed it to be more open and give us room to get ourselves in trouble rather than just a here is your entire role which obviously we can't really touch argument wise.

 

[Mich]

Hey I don't know if you saw my post, but I get it too.

Idk why thy this feels like a condescendent pat on my head

 

[Shizune]

Idk why thy this feels like a condescendent pat on my head

Lol I promise if I didn't understand where you're coming from I'd just tell you that

probably in all capital letters

 

[Badalight]

Also for me personally I think red was going to have a tough time regardless of the role reveals. My issue with that whole situation is less to do with the game itself and more to do with aspects outside of it being within the rules or not. Lets look at it from a town perspective is it really that interesting for me as a townie if someone goes hey here is an entire scum faction and what they can do in as much detail as possible? Honestly I think most townies would find that a boring way to win. Obviously the desire to win is still there but it wouldn't be as satisfying as other ways to win imo.

Not trying to say you can't use the knowledge you gain from abilties and keep it to yourself but I do think that presentation can go a long way in making it fun for both you and others.

This is definitely true but like... if we didn't have that info town would've had no shot at winning, and that's after lynching correctly on all but 3 lynches (4 if you count the night lynch which was 40% scum). That information ended up balancing the game somewhat, but yes I would have preferred if the game was more of a three way dance which it really only felt like at the very end.

 

[Shrike]

Didn't play too many favorites but I liked this game more than the others. For one, you could still legit scumhunt instead of just chaotically flinging abilities and you know, whatever hits you randomly during day phase is whatever. Second, the two groups was a great idea because it wasn't as chaotic.

Thanks for the game again @Shizune

 

[Draekke]

Didn't play too many favorites but I liked this game more than the others. For one, you could still legit scumhunt instead of just chaotically flinging abilities and you know, whatever hits you randomly during day phase is whatever. Second, the two groups was a great idea because it wasn't as chaotic.

Thanks for the game again @Shizune

I’d agree with your sentiment regarding the smaller amount of day abilities. At first I thought it was a bit odd, but I think it helped town to focus more on the thread during the day.

Would be interested to see how it might have played if both maf were split into the two groups like town was. I did like the smaller groups, but missed the multiball facet for the first portion.

 

[Shrike]

I’d agree with your sentiment regarding the smaller amount of day abilities. At first I thought it was a bit odd, but I think it helped town to focus more on the thread during the day.

Would be interested to see how it might have played if both maf were split into the two groups like town was. I did like the smaller groups, but missed the multiball facet for the first portion.

For sheer chaos and memes, sure the multiball would be more funny. Not really too investing though, at least for me.

 

[Draekke]

For sheer chaos and memes, sure the multiball would be more funny. Not really too investing though, at least for me.

Hmm, I don’t think a multiball in a 35 player game is all that chaotic. Game 1 would have one or two less maf, game 2 the opposite.. I think this would have been best case… maybe just a town viewpoint now that I’m thinking about it though lol.

 

[Ekkologix]

The reasons for the general ban on quoting pms or private chats word for word are to prevent angle shooting. Similar to trust tells, you could try to catch scum by demanding a player quote their town pm word for word.

Another reason in mashes is that often closed set ups are impossible to balance around mass claims. mass claims just auto win for town a lot.

And finally if you can post pms then scum will be obliged to make fake PMs to provide when thread demands it. Which sounds tedious, and when we can't even get players to not afk, means lazy town get free clears and lazy scum just die.

Most of the anti pm stuff is to protect scum. Most sites have it as a primary rule similar to trust tells to keep the game playable.

I don't have any idea what happened in this game but I can say @Mich plays in communities that have a very strict rule on PMs and players not following it is a big deal there.

i did not copy my own role PM to prof, the host dropped it there if this is what u r referring to. my fake role auto posts itself

 

[Ekkologix]

And they rolecopped like all of red's team? Damn

Yes they were that easy to scum read regardless of what they say, we copped 3 in one day.