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3 actually, and won all 3
remember that one where we made wpk flip mafia lol
was women in fiction game iirc
John Wayne
Well-Known Member
Oh right lmao
Badalight
JOJO
this is the play
they don't call me Badaroach for nothing
Also glad I made it to the end of the game, technically.
achieved ur survivor wincondition lolthis is the play
they don't call me Badaroach for nothing
Also glad I made it to the end of the game, technically.
can u stick around and play more games with us?
u guys too @Baroxio @Draekke @JoJo @Soul @Firestormer @Ishmael @Legend @AndrewGreve @Laix etc..
the site got lots of players that dont play often. wud be nice if u fuys can stick around more for other games
starting with maybe laix's coming game
Baroxio
Unlimited Strategy Works
My thoughts on the game:
Mafia was way too strong. I think it's problematic that town can successfully lynch mafia almost every day phase and yet still lose. Mafia had far too much lynch protection in this game where the lynch is town's main method of eliminating mafia, especially in a game where everyone has durability, meaning nobody dies to a single kill and even superkills can be walked off.
While I enjoyed the flash mechanics, they also heavily favor mafia when you give them the ability to refresh flash easily on top of the ludicrous ability to always know when someone uses flash. I feel like half the power of the flash is it's surprise factor, but apparently this doesn't exist for some mafias. At that point, using flash just paints a target on your back saying "please kill me, I'm defenseless!"
This is also my first experience with fake masons, and...I don't like it. Getting an accepted townie to vouch for you is the highest defense imaginable in this game, and on top of that it's on a mafia member that can survive even superkills. How does one actually get around that? The opposing mafia couldn't kill them (despite clearly trying) and no townie would ever even attempt to target them, much less kill or lynch them unless you want to encourage bad YOLO play. If there's going to be a person with a fake mason role, they should have like zero other defenses, IMHO. Durability 1, die to a stray bullet, no immunities, no protections.
I suppose a lot of this game was balanced by what seemed to be a lack of communication among mafia, alogside the implementation of mafia traitors. Honestly, it seemingly worked out. Maybe even too well, causing the compensation buff where red could canabilize dead members to retain their abilities. Though that just means that it reduces the progress town makes in weakening mafia. That combined with the skewed numbers of 1:3 mafia to town no doubt played a role in why town simply ran out of time at the end. You can't say that town lost this game because they played poorly, IMHO. You can, however say that mafia won because they were hard carried by their abilities.
Still, it was overall an enjoyable game. I pegged Soulkiller as mafia literally from the start of the game and had him under perma-roleblock...which apparently didn't do anything as the dude was immune to roleblocks and rolecrush. Oh well. Games like this are always impossible to balance, and the fact that it wasn't a hard stomp either way is still a fact to be proud of. I was able to use my protections effectively and I think I played to the best of my ability. I have no real regrets, and still obtained an immense amount of satisfaction in this game. Feel free to invite me to the next one, if you so desire.
Mafia was way too strong. I think it's problematic that town can successfully lynch mafia almost every day phase and yet still lose. Mafia had far too much lynch protection in this game where the lynch is town's main method of eliminating mafia, especially in a game where everyone has durability, meaning nobody dies to a single kill and even superkills can be walked off.
While I enjoyed the flash mechanics, they also heavily favor mafia when you give them the ability to refresh flash easily on top of the ludicrous ability to always know when someone uses flash. I feel like half the power of the flash is it's surprise factor, but apparently this doesn't exist for some mafias. At that point, using flash just paints a target on your back saying "please kill me, I'm defenseless!"
This is also my first experience with fake masons, and...I don't like it. Getting an accepted townie to vouch for you is the highest defense imaginable in this game, and on top of that it's on a mafia member that can survive even superkills. How does one actually get around that? The opposing mafia couldn't kill them (despite clearly trying) and no townie would ever even attempt to target them, much less kill or lynch them unless you want to encourage bad YOLO play. If there's going to be a person with a fake mason role, they should have like zero other defenses, IMHO. Durability 1, die to a stray bullet, no immunities, no protections.
I suppose a lot of this game was balanced by what seemed to be a lack of communication among mafia, alogside the implementation of mafia traitors. Honestly, it seemingly worked out. Maybe even too well, causing the compensation buff where red could canabilize dead members to retain their abilities. Though that just means that it reduces the progress town makes in weakening mafia. That combined with the skewed numbers of 1:3 mafia to town no doubt played a role in why town simply ran out of time at the end. You can't say that town lost this game because they played poorly, IMHO. You can, however say that mafia won because they were hard carried by their abilities.
Still, it was overall an enjoyable game. I pegged Soulkiller as mafia literally from the start of the game and had him under perma-roleblock...which apparently didn't do anything as the dude was immune to roleblocks and rolecrush. Oh well. Games like this are always impossible to balance, and the fact that it wasn't a hard stomp either way is still a fact to be proud of. I was able to use my protections effectively and I think I played to the best of my ability. I have no real regrets, and still obtained an immense amount of satisfaction in this game. Feel free to invite me to the next one, if you so desire.
Most of the town vig roles died very early and never did anything
Town probably ran out of time faster than they should have because none of the superkills I gave them ever went off on any guilty players
Remember I also gave town a night lynch which… also didn’t pan out lol
So yeah just unfortunate how that turned out and made town overly reliant on lynching to accomplish anything
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
GG everyone
congrats to purple.
I only read d1 in game 2 but it looked much more difficult to sort.
congrats to purple.
I only read d1 in game 2 but it looked much more difficult to sort.
Badalight
JOJO
I signed up for Laix's game but had to rescind because of life shit, which also affected me the last week or so of this game. If that all gets figured out then I will try.
It wouldnt lol.
I need both of you dead fam.
@Draekke I would love to have you on WG fam.
tf ur just town then what lol
Firestormer
Well-Known Member
i really hated the town while i was alive in this game and i think i'll take a break before experiencing something like it again, might play again at some point though
his wincon is game ending and only he and his obsession win
I thought I was but apparently after offing all mafia I win alone with with my obssession, Lind.
I still cant believe shizune made brokki msg me on discord to send in my actions knowing full well i was gonna be rb that night 
yea sin was scum there too and i subbed for him.
i liked the game, planning actions with you there were fun
I also said Didi, Ekko and Santi were scum in g1 without having read a single post
Thats like 1.5 odds
Thats like 1.5 odds
i cant survive superkills btw. i only had 3 lives
melodie stole a life from someone. like we saw someone try to give another player extra life and we yoinked it and gave it to me. i think it was from nessos or rej
and mich gave soul and extra life which he copied and gave to me
thats how i became at 5
town didnt lynch mafia every day, specially not group 2
town mislynched every day minus 2, and mis executed every day minus 2. not to mention mislynch in night lynch and soul's lynch post merge. thats alot of town blood lol
bruh so ur hostile
Mich
aka Michelle
what you played wasn't real mafia, you sent copy pasted PMs and this should be stopped by the host.
It's a modkill to not paraphraze the PMs roles everywhere I played.
You may be proud of it but it is a cowardly move, like your play all game, you purple mafia played rather hide and seek
I am not salty about losing, i had a fun game and the best team i could wish to have. I am not sure we could win our part of the game with a traitor among us but I never care about the game outcome and Fuji san played a fair game
Sure if you sell your soul for a win you are happy and smug about the post where Shizune gave you the win but for me you showed low ability to play the game of mafia.
We could die anyway and the outcome would be the same probably even without using game breaking tricks.
I thought you had the possibility to use words to win, but it looks like you are unable to obtain the win without cheating. I don't care what the site or the host approves as rules. What you did by sending our copy pasted roles shouldn't be allowed.
I heard it happened before and i heard all kind of 'i would do the same' or 'why can't you say it's a lie' or 'townies didn't believe it anyway'.
All these are not looking at the fact that, as long as everyone has the interdiction to copy paste their own PM and post it in the game or in chats other than the scum chat who can obtain the info, copy posting other roles and share them like that should be forbidden as well.
And @DrProfessor83 you are not good at paraphrazing at all, my role was almost like the original one smh
I know the host put a lot of effort in the game and made amazing roles and did an awesome job. I understood in DVC he sold us all accepting that message to be sent. He said he will balance the game and in the case of the message from Ekko he had the possibility to not allow it in that form and the permission he gave crippled all other factions. Maybe you could think again at what balance means @Shizune
I learned something though, a big faction is not always helpful.
I should know it, i won with a team of 3 mafia a 17er because the host forgot to put 4 mafia.
Oposed masons is bastard.
Except they are not masons, but still, you said it's ok.
Sharing fake roles yourself is bastard.
And I am sure I didn't notice few things.
You made a bastard game, let's face it.
It's not a crime to host a bastard game, at least tell the truth to yourself.
No, that was well done regarding balance.
My only complain is the PM shit.
As details, the false help you gave us when you said the game is open for everyone to win it, that helped the purples like the PM did.
Also you promised you'll balance the game on its course and you didn't do it from my pov.
Thanks for the game everyone, the MVP for me is @AndrewGreve, awesome play sir, you were the only one who made me affraid of you.
The darkhourse in all this was @Kira Yagami
Be rcing nfc we missed out on 2 lynch stops, which gave purp the w
Be rcing nfc we missed out on 2 lynch stops, which gave purp the w
that odd lynch was a hailmary and i couldnt believe your luck considering you blew almost everything to get ratchet and lalisa killed so getting odd killed at that point wasnt possible
until the mislynch. amazing to watch.
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
Did a quick skim back and want to support @Shizune on trust tells
There is no context where they are ok.
They break the game, since if everyone did them, the game would be over day 1 when you had the list of people not willing to swear they were town aligned.
When only one or a few players do them, it gives those players a massive boost to their town games, as they are able to play as innocent child, and basically have no burden to demonstrate their alignment through thread play, and scum is forced to kill them in otherways the same as mechanically peeked players.
As scum alignment they are immediately outed, and a huge burden/handicap to the scum team unlucky enough to rand them.
It is a shitty selfish way to play, that literally ruins the game of mafia and makes it pointless/unplayable.
There is no context where they are ok.
They break the game, since if everyone did them, the game would be over day 1 when you had the list of people not willing to swear they were town aligned.
When only one or a few players do them, it gives those players a massive boost to their town games, as they are able to play as innocent child, and basically have no burden to demonstrate their alignment through thread play, and scum is forced to kill them in otherways the same as mechanically peeked players.
As scum alignment they are immediately outed, and a huge burden/handicap to the scum team unlucky enough to rand them.
It is a shitty selfish way to play, that literally ruins the game of mafia and makes it pointless/unplayable.
I guess I was lol.
Am I the only one that threw a super at you?
@AndrewGreve it was a fake question 
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
listen before everyone starts sending me hate mail. It wasnt the host that called me MVP this time.
@Didi
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
@AndrewGreve it was a fake question
huh?
kind of. They redirected TS away and something happened with mich i forget. yours was the only one that landed
Mich
aka Michelle
Actually the damn trust tell changed my read on drprof but what an useless thing to have in a game of lies.
No one noticed that JW could escape the lynch in that day, NFC would't be lynched either and the lynch would go to SK?
JW was lynched only because the wagon on SK existed.
No one noticed that JW could escape the lynch in that day, NFC would't be lynched either and the lynch would go to SK?
JW was lynched only because the wagon on SK existed.
Mich
aka Michelle
Doesn't matter for me who the host likes, for me your play was the best
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
That shit inadvertently got LG lynched
That scum lean you had on me from that post made me actually worry enough to try to get town read
By getting town read by you, you followed me on the lg wagon, and everyone else town read you so they also followed it.
I just want to say that the only reason Purple won is because they N1'd me. If I had lived past N1 or decided to return to the game, then town would have won.
I see that 1% of my power scared your team, @Ekkologix and @SoulKiller . Good. Be frightened.
I see that 1% of my power scared your team, @Ekkologix and @SoulKiller . Good. Be frightened.
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
what tangled webs we weave lol
u got n1'ed for a reasonI just want to say that the only reason Purple won is because they N1'd me. If I had lived past N1 or decided to return to the game, then town would have won.
I see that 1% of my power scared your team, @Ekkologix and @SoulKiller . Good. Be frightened.
yeah
the other superk kill that TS wanted to fire at me we redirected away to legend
Legend
THE RAINMAKER
Im playing Laix's game but i was out of the game for a while. Its the most active ive been ages. But ill see what I can do.
Yes.u got n1'ed for a reason
You were scared.
After all, my current 1% is equal to my past 100%.
And you've never beaten me before.
we didnt originally have a lynch stopper
it was an ability to remove players from lynch pool once in the game
if the lynch didnt become kingmaker, we cuda removed sk from lynch pool once
but it became kingmaker so nitty gave us 1shot lynch stopper for it
on one hand i would of had more challenge and unleashed 1.25% of my full powerYes.
You were scared.
After all, my current 1% is equal to my past 100%.
And you've never beaten me before.
on another hand if i kill u and ratchet n1 i get to coast to victory for free
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
playing with you, when you didnt have a posting restriction making you sound weird, was cool, as brief as it was. Good game.
Legend
THE RAINMAKER
Wait what Post Restriction?
You typo'd there. 125% of your full power and town not reading my posts was enough to get you the win.on one hand i would of had more challenge and unleashed 1.25% of my full power
on another hand if i kill u and ratchet n1 i get to coast to victory for free
This time.
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
At one point I typed up a huge thing talking about how no real person would look at that profile picture, see the dragons AND see enough of a face to think it MIGHT be a face, but not enough to KNOW it was a face too. So it bothered them enough to have to ask about it.
Any real person posting real thoughts would realize it was a double picture as soon as they noticed it enough to think of asking.
I dont think I ended up posting it, lol. I really thought it was to dumb of a read to force the thread to deal with my crazy tinfoil.
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
the only other game I remember we played in you had to type everything you said two different ways
so I basically didnt read any of your posts.
we had a traitor too, who is responsible for our factional kills, and apparently fuji wants us dead as well
and i cant speak for the message and PM. the PM is an ability of mine and the message was sent via the host. I did not copy paste stuff to the PM obviously so
i played with the abilities I got and with what host allowed me to do. any more complains u take them to the host lol
i have no remorse in my heart for what i did to red. yall have 5 lynch stoppers, a lynch immune role, and are 4 more in numbers than us
i did what i can for my faction to win. its unbelivable rly red gets lynched daily in group 1 and is still able to be such a threat here, and that all with them not utilizing most of the roles to its fullest, and even with 1 of them quitting (ultra)
tbh mich u really are in no position to be complaining. i could of simply paraphrased the roles to prof, its rly not a big deal. outcome is same the moment they see ur role flip similar to the paraphrase they will believe the message anyway.. i mean why do u think we killed u at night lol
Draekke
The 10th Man
But why tho? Lol.@AndrewGreve it was a fake question
Legend
THE RAINMAKER
Oh wow i vaguely remember that
I like to ask ppl stuff ive already figured out. Its a good way to get conversations going
I have no clue y i lied abt it tho lmao, i guess i panicked and my first instinct was to lie
AndrewGreve
Well-Known Member
sometimes its hard to find stuff to say in the thread
Baroxio
Unlimited Strategy Works
You can't survive superkills, you just happened to survive a superkill using the abilities of your faction. Cool beans.
Group 2 didn't do nearly as poorly as your suggesting. There were 5 days in Group 2. Days 1 & 2 were full of towning, but you guys took control of the Day 3 lynch to take out Nessos and then lost multiple members on Days 4 & 5. This is basically average in mafia. Town doesn't know who to trust while Mafia does. Lynching mafia every day like Group 1 did should be considered the outlier, not the norm.
Despite that, and despite red mafia practically imploding on it's own, town simply couldn't keep up and lost as soon as the last red fell. This is problematic unless you expect them to play a perfect game, which just isn't reasonable. In a game where the ratio is 1 mafia to 3 town, mafia shouldn't be able to reliably kill off 3+ townies every night. Because then you run into this situation where even if town plays above average or even perfectly, they're still likely to lose.
Draekke
The 10th Man
Panicked is not a feeling I got from you, everything else aside lol.I like to ask ppl stuff ive already figured out. Its a good way to get conversations going
I have no clue y i lied abt it tho lmao, i guess i panicked and my first instinct was to lie
Lind
Fire and Blood
yeah thats the thing, it wasn'tYou can't survive superkills, you just happened to survive a superkill using the abilities of your faction. Cool beans.
we stole a +1 extra life from another player. do u know the odds of that happening? in the same night he was getting +1 we stole it from him
also the other +1 came from mich giving it to EXACTLY sk who can store that ability and learn it. in fact thats her ability to give +1 extra life only to superkill sk lol, but he and he only can learn it
u know what r the odds of those happening lol? that allowed me to be more upfront about confronting red in thread to tank a superkill
i was simply going based off ur post. u said town lynched mafia almost everyday and thats just not true. maybe for game 1 yeah, but certainly not for game 2, and its purple that won not red.
mislynching is okay for town. yall didn't just mislynched. u misexecuted too. there was always a scum in the execution wagon. every day iirc. only 2/5 days were scum executed, and worm being in execution platform was actually a misstep by us cuz we killed u and made her next in line for exection
day 1 lynch plat
day 2 lynch xadlin
day 2 exec salah
n2 lynch odd
day 3 lynch nessos (doesnt count.. maybe..)
day 3 exec franky
day 4 sin lynched
day 4 worm exec
after this 5 town died at night and we actually did have the capability to vote together and steer the lynch. we actually reached majority with tinky's vote stealing from FS. we obviously did not steer the lynch cuz we had game 1 and the merge to still worry about. we actually stomped this group much worst than u think. if there was no merge this group 2 was finished in a 27:9 town/protown to mafia ratio
tinky could vote steal from FS/lind and group 2 would never ever be able to lynch mafia anymore if there was no merge this group is really just done lol. ur hope was to pray for game 1 to save u. thats really how bad it was
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
I mean, and I am gonna be honest Hidden, it's easy to talk when you have TMI about everything regarding the game. I made it to the end and out survived everyone and made victory possible for purple. That's that.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
Oh I wasn't worried about prof, I mainly just wanted townies and red mafia attention to be toward me instead of prof and ekko. I needed ekko to stay alive as long as possible and I have faith in myself to weather the storm and survive until end game. My role was doing all the heavy work after the merger happened, if I ever died early it would of been gg for purple.
SoulKiller
The Alpha and The Omega
I didn't even knew you died back then xDI just want to say that the only reason Purple won is because they N1'd me. If I had lived past N1 or decided to return to the game, then town would have won.
I see that 1% of my power scared your team, @Ekkologix and @SoulKiller . Good. Be frightened.
I probably would of kept you around cause it's more fun. Ekko was mostly handling all the actions early game.
But we brought the W to group 2.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
I called you out for scum beforehand it's not like that changed because I died lol
Baroxio
Unlimited Strategy Works
...I'm glad you agree with my original point that mafia was too fucking strong, then.
And yes, 5 townies dying in a night with 27:9 town/mafia ratio sort of exemplifies this. If you guys actually had a scum chat and team red didn't, you guys probably should have had like half the members, lol.
Hidden
A Human from the Present
And I mean, technically in a sense it tells me more that you're running interference for ekko specifically sure. But even without knowing ekko is scum it was pretty clear you were just trying to waste town's time because that's what I would've done too
Lind
Fire and Blood
Lmao. After I was suspected all game of being an indie, winning alone with you would have had some serious after affects post game lol. Thanks for helping me out with those messages bb.
I guess players got/are getting their frustrations out, and yeah, I’m kinda bummed we lost too. Especially after playing this for so long and consecutive phases without rest, but I know there were many things I could have done better.
I just wanna say, it was a lot of fun playing with so many of you new players to me here - @Draekke @JoJo @Firestormer @Laix @Didi (for making me laugh so much) @Karma @Hero @Badalight @Owner Of A Lonely Heart @nfcnorth and many more.
I really liked all of your play styles, and hope we play again some day. For now I need a long break first to focus on other things in life haha.
So great game guys. And @DrProfessor83 you did perform to the best of your ability. No hard feelings from my end at all. So chin up and move on.
DrProfessor83
Supreme Leader
I sure hope not lol.
thats arguable. 8/9 roles were cucked by a simple roleblock. roleblocking JW/iwan basically reduces our kills by 75% and im not even memeing lol. town had enough roleblocks to make it happen too and iwan JW were PoE...I'm glad you agree with my original point that mafia was too fucking strong, then.
And yes, 5 townies dying in a night with 27:9 town/mafia ratio sort of exemplifies this. If you guys actually had a scum chat and team red didn't, you guys probably should have had like half the members, lol.
yeah those 5 townies dying was a massacre, we were directly responsible for 3 of them. rest were vigged/killed themselves trying to protect marked town. i guess still our fault kek
the doctors were healing mafia lol
did u take a second to look at the roles u guys executed btw lmao
Nice copy paste loser
Hidden
A Human from the Present
All I'm gonna say is that g1 Town won in spirit
Hmmm this game was quite bastard but that's to be expected from Nitty, glad I died early from Nessos's hand instead of the host having to invent something just to get rid of me
btw i was the one who put owner, hero, worm, iwan for lynch platforms
Mich
aka Michelle
Hiding behind the host, aren't you? What a ballsy spot to put yourself in..
I am in the position to tell you I don't care what happened except the PM thing and tell you that what you did wasn't a stellar play like you want to show it was.
You can say anything, I know it was something it shouldn't happen, i know the host allowed it, but it's a cheap excuse. You copy pasted roles posted in scum chat by Hero and sent them as they were to Drprof.
Didi
*
yeah I loved @DrProfessor83 's roast, it was hilarious
when I saw the opening posts by him and Juan I was immediately like 'welp I'm not winning this thing' so I just put in enough effort to not get last place
You can't survive superkills, you just happened to survive a superkill using the abilities of your faction. Cool beans.
Group 2 didn't do nearly as poorly as your suggesting. There were 5 days in Group 2. Days 1 & 2 were full of towning, but you guys took control of the Day 3 lynch to take out Nessos and then lost multiple members on Days 4 & 5. This is basically average in mafia. Town doesn't know who to trust while Mafia does. Lynching mafia every day like Group 1 did should be considered the outlier, not the norm.
Despite that, and despite red mafia practically imploding on it's own, town simply couldn't keep up and lost as soon as the last red fell. This is problematic unless you expect them to play a perfect game, which just isn't reasonable. In a game where the ratio is 1 mafia to 3 town, mafia shouldn't be able to reliably kill off 3+ townies every night. Because then you run into this situation where even if town plays above average or even perfectly, they're still likely to lose.
You're really overstating how well town played. Town mislynched (including the execution) many times, and all of their superkills were wasted, as well as the night lynch.
If I’m going to give the town access to several superkills that could potentially one-shot mafia members, then this is the trade off.
To add, even with all that, things came down to the wire and town could have won if they just caught Usopp and put today’s top 2 lynch candidates as Usopp and SoulKiller.